Save the 8th Lies.

The_SR

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I think this one is too important to leave buried in the thread.

Remember convicted armed robber Noel Patron telling us via the YD front save the 8th how he worked in an abortion clinic? Well as called on here at the time, he did in his hole.

A Pro-Life Pattern | Broadsheet.ie

Now were save the 8th duped or is this part of a bigger strategy of lies and fake stories?

Plenty of youth defence types on here, can we get a comment on it?
 


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Pay no attention to the tossers. I don't believe a word that comes from the pro lifers and just switch off or over if I come across them rattling on. Best ignored as irrelevant.
 

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Pay no attention to the tossers. I don't believe a word that comes from the pro lifers and just switch off or over if I come across them rattling on. Best ignored as irrelevant.
True. But the most prominent pro life group launching with some hoopla an obvious fake story needs to be discussed and countered. I would be interested to hear the party line. Duped by their own member or an insidious tactic

There are people out there who would fall for it. Hence they did it.
 
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True. But the most prominent pro life group launching with some hoopla an obvious fake story needs to be discussed and countered. I would be interested to hear the party line. Duped by their own member or an insidious tactic

There are people out there who would fall for it. Hence they did it.
Presumably you will have no objection to pro-abortion lies being highlighted on this thread? For example, the incessant denial of the scientific fact that a foetus is a human life; or that a foetus is just a clump of cells; or that it is necessary to introduce abortion on demand so as to protect women's lives. There are many more, but that should do for starters!
 

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Pay no attention to the tossers. I don't believe a word that comes from the pro-choice brigade and just switch off or over if I come across them rattling on. Best ignored as irrelevant.
 

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Presumably you will have no objection to pro-abortion lies being highlighted on this thread? For example, the incessant denial of the scientific fact that a foetus is a human life; or that a foetus is just a clump of cells; or that it is necessary to introduce abortion on demand so as to protect women's lives. There are many more, but that should do for starters!
True. The irony of this thread and the poster who started it.

From the same person who wouldn't admit that the abortion rate goes up when the law is liberalised and that Guttmacher and Boylan were telling porkies about it at the Committee. This after I pointed out evidence in 3 examples with official parliamentary reports.(England/Wales, Scotland, Netherlands).

Notice how they will never say anything about Prof Veronica O'Keane's assertion at the Committee that every person's mental health in Ireland has been damaged by the 8th.

The lies on their side are as long as my arm at this stage.

This guy Noel has left the campaign.
 

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Well...there's a novel idea.....ANOTHER abortion thread.

Yes. Another one.

Mods, merge with the "repeal the 8th thread" if you please ?
 

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Well...there's a novel idea.....ANOTHER abortion thread.

Yes. Another one.

Mods, merge with the "repeal the 8th thread" if you please ?
This. Move these posts to the repeal thread where it can be addressed.
 

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Well...there's a novel idea.....ANOTHER abortion thread.

Yes. Another one.
People have been making this complaint since before Stringjack was summoned forth from the fiery pits of Vesuvius...
 

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Presumably you will have no objection to pro-abortion lies being highlighted on this thread? For example, the incessant denial of the scientific fact that a foetus is a human life; or that a foetus is just a clump of cells; or that it is necessary to introduce abortion on demand so as to protect women's lives. There are many more, but that should do for starters!
Firstly they aren't facts in the same sense of Noel claiming he worked in an abortion clinic. They can be disputed and discussed. That is not what happened here.
 

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This. Move these posts to the repeal thread where it can be addressed.
Why? This is about the lies perpetuated by so called prolife Crisis Actors with fake qualifications.

It suits antichoice shills to have the truth buried.
 

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True. The irony of this thread and the poster who started it.

From the same person who wouldn't admit that the abortion rate goes up when the law is liberalised and that Guttmacher and Boylan were telling porkies about it at the Committee. This after I pointed out evidence in 3 examples with official parliamentary reports.(England/Wales, Scotland, Netherlands).

Notice how they will never say anything about Prof Veronica O'Keane's assertion at the Committee that every person's mental health in Ireland has been damaged by the 8th.

The lies on their side are as long as my arm at this stage.

This guy Noel has left the campaign.
Left of his own volition or asked to leave once rumbled?
 

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Why? This is about the lies perpetuated by so called prolife Crisis Actors with fake qualifications.

It suits antichoice shills to have the truth buried.
This thread is nothing to do with abortion. It's about a blatantly false advertising campaign from a group with form in this regard.
 

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Why? This is about the lies perpetuated by so called prolife Crisis Actors with fake qualifications.

It suits antichoice shills to have the truth buried.
Because there are plenty of lies that stretch well around the corner for your side that I and others have pointed out on numerous occasions, but we still don't feel it necessary to start a thread.

It can remain in the repeal thread, this will end up again as a back and forth on the referendum and not the topic of it anyway. This will be the case even if there was a thread for falsehoods on both sides.

Keep it in one place.
 

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Left of his own volition or asked to leave once rumbled?
He asked to leave.

There was a statement.

He hasn't denied what he said though.
 

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Because there are plenty of lies that stretch well around the corner for your side that I and others have pointed out on numerous occasions, but we still don't feel it necessary to start a thread.

It can remain in the repeal thread, this will end up again as a back and forth on the referendum and not the topic of it anyway. This will be the case even if there was a thread for falsehoods on both sides.

Keep it in one place.
Start your own OP. If an OP meets the standards, low as they are on Pie, it wont be zooed.

Or you can go to a feedback thread and whine about the Mods. As it is you are just trying to derail this one because it hits a sore spot.
 

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Because there are plenty of lies that stretch well around the corner for your side that I and others have pointed out on numerous occasions, but we still don't feel it necessary to start a thread.

It can remain in the repeal thread, this will end up again as a back and forth on the referendum and not the topic of it anyway. This will be the case even if there was a thread for falsehoods on both sides.

Keep it in one place.
What lies?
 

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Because there are plenty of lies that stretch well around the corner for your side that I and others have pointed out on numerous occasions, but we still don't feel it necessary to start a thread.

It can remain in the repeal thread, this will end up again as a back and forth on the referendum and not the topic of it anyway. This will be the case even if there was a thread for falsehoods on both sides.

Keep it in one place.
Find the equalivalent from any Repeal group and we can talk. The equivalent is not things you disagree with by the way.
 

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