Lumpy may I call you Lumpy? very obviously in the 21st century, we are in a new era the threats we face have clearly changed. The vast majority of your post while jocular is no longer relevant to our countries requirements. Let me state it again in case any on these boards havent got the message our two countries require a gendarmerie an external police force in the shape of a coastguard.What's our defence budget again? Around the equivalent of $1.1 billion. Much of that will be maintenance of logistics/camps/property spend and administration of buildings and land, wages and salaries, maintenance of naval assets which are effectively a coastguard unit along with limited air-sea rescue. Otherwise notorious as a sort of Uber for government ministers.
Military Expenditure in Ireland increased to 1140 USD Million in 2018 from 1025 USD Million in 2017. Military Expenditure in Ireland averaged 805.52 USD Million from 1958 until 2018, reaching an all time high of 1231 USD Million in 2001 and a record low of 244 USD Million in 1958.tradingeconomics.com
Anyone got any numbers available on what we'd need as a minimum to be competitive and put up a valiant but futile defence so beloved of those who'll never have to fight in them?
Couple of squadrons of the latest military jet fighters at least plus the technical equipment and training to keep them operational and available. Couple of squadrons wouldn't be enough against the airforces of any of our neighbours. Say five or six squadrons plus supply line costs. This would probably quadruple our defence budget alone.
Then you'd need an AWACs 'plane. High altitude gizmo, requiring three or four in rotation to maintain coverage over the skies you want to defend. You won't know you're being attacked until it is too late unless you have a very high eye in the sky and we don't have any military satellite systems. So chuck in a few high altitude latest generation planes for basically edge of space flight in order to be able to monitor the air territory you are supposed to be defending. Another few billion a year, easy, when you build in all the resource and upkeep plus training, security at the base where they occasionally land etc.
Now let's see. Submarines. We'll need a lot of those with the length of coastline we have and no doubt the expectation that because of our position off the west coast of Europe we'd patrol the western approaches. So we'll need a fleet of nuclear subs. Say 30 or 30 billion for those.
Tanks. APCs. Obviously we'd need a fair few squadrons of those. Not so much for defending Athenry against the latest Russian weaponry but for the inevitable operation we'd be launching to Liberate Europe from the oppressor when we switch from defence to attack
That restaurant bill would blow our defence budget out by at least ten times its current cost. The quare thing is that it would all be useless in the very scenario it would be most wanted.
I vote we save our money. If the UK and US want to play silly buggers with China and Russia my suggestion would be that we do our level best to stay out of it. As one of the few locations in Europe where there would likely be survivors from a battlefield nuke scenario on the continent I don't think we should be jumping up and down to make ourselves targets for any of the superpowers.
We definitely cannot afford Belgian notions. They still persist with an army and military spending despite their unfortunate habit of becoming essentially a refuelling lay-by for anyone making a play for western Europe.