Savita - a Yes for her

Emily Davison

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One day we all woke up to the reality of the 8th. Of what it actually meant for Irish women. For Irish wives. For Irish mothers. For Irish daughters. For Irish girlfriends. For Irish sisters. Our country welcomed in a woman from a hard difficult country for women. And what did we do. We left her die. For no reason. Absolutely no reason that is in any way possibly justifable. For years on here poster after poster has justified her death. Doing literally anything to avoid the plain truth that our 8th killed her.

We learnt because of her that Irish couples go every week to Liverpool for healthcare that Ireland refuses. We learnt that Irish doctors hands are tied unless you are on an unmeasurable pathway to death. We learnt that women were getting their child's ashes sent to them by DHL. We learnt that Ireland will incarcerate you if you dare say you are suicidal as they did to a teenager last year. We learnt that posters on here see nothing at all wrong with force feeding and locking up raped asylum seekers. We learnt that couples travel by boat to England in order to bring back the remains of their babies. We learnt that women bleeding heavily travel back on airplanes alone. With passengers oblivious to their silent suffering.

Last month we learn a raped 12 year old had to go abroad for an abortion. My daughter, your daughter, your sister, my sister.

The 8th does not prevent abortion. It sends the problem to England.

Next Friday, vote to end that hypocracy. Vote for your wife, your sister, your cousin, your girlfriend. Vote for Savita.

Vote for Michelle, for raped Y, for Sheila, for all our daughters, for A, B & C, for your sisters. For raped injuncted 14 year old Y. For the women with FFA. For the women who feel they have no other option. Trust us women to do the right thing.



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Where it all began:

http://www.politics.ie/forum/health-social-affairs/200088-woman-dies-galway-hospital-after-being-refused-termination.html
 
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Dame_Enda

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We learned that once a woman becomes pregnant, the 8th reduces her absolute right to life to make way for that of the foetus.
 

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One person dies due to HSE incompetence.

Let's murder more, for the sake of it. Appropriate choice.
 

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One day we all woke up to the reality of the 8th. Of what it actually meant for Irish women. For Irish wives. For Irish mothers. For Irish daughters. For Irish girlfriends. For Irish sisters. Our country welcomed in a woman from a hard difficult country for women. And what did we do. We left her die. For no reason. Absolutely no reason that is in any way possibly justifible. For years on here poster after poster has justified her death. Doing literally anything to avoid the plain truth that our 8th killed her.

We learnt because of her that Irish couples go every week to Liverpool for healthcare that Ireland refuses. We learnt that Irish doctors hands are tied unless you are on an unmeasurable pathway to death. We learnt that women were getting their child's ashes sent to them by DHL. We learnt that Ireland will incarcerate you if you dare say you are suicidal as they did to a teenager last year. We learnt that posters on here see nothing at all wrong with force feeding and locking up raped asylum seekers.

Last month we learn a raped 12 year old had to go abroad for an abortion.
You're wrong, though. One learned poster here told me at the time that she could have caught a flight. She could have - despite her extreme distress, her sepsis and any bleeding involved - caught a flight and sought relief. Great solution, eh? Of course, that might have put her life in some minor greater risk and spoiled the seats of a plane, but there you go. There was a solution there all along.
 

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The year she died 6 pregnacies we're terminated in the Rotunda and 4 in Holles Street to protect women's lives.

The 8th didn't kill her, negligence did. And her death is being used cynically to drive through abortion as a reproductive choice.

We hear only about the hard cases, rape, FFA, risk to health and life. Under these grounds in the UK including grounds to abort a baby with Downs Syndrome up to birth, 3% of abortions are performed.

The remaining 97% of abortions are carried out under risk to mental health which is what's being proposed here up to viability, usually 23/24 weeks.

The stats for the UK in 2016 are linked below.
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/report-on-abortion-statistics-in-england-and-wales-for-2016


You're giving the nod to eugenics.

You're giving the nod to killing healthy babies. Because you've devalued and dehumised them to justify taking their life.

It was never about the hard cases.



 
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Dame_Enda

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Someone shouldnt have to be on the very cusp of death before they get to have an abortion. That could seriously affect the mothers physical health.
 

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Another lie from Emily Davison. An abortion would not have saved Savita; her death was caused by gross mismanagement and she would have died even if the abortion had been done.

Why someone is so committed to murder as Emily Davison is, is beyond belief.
 

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[video=youtube;PdrLKGmM-pc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdrLKGmM-pc[/video]


https://www.everylifecounts.ie/stories/

These are some of the women whose testimony Emily tried to discredit, and whom she denied were pressurised into having an abortion.

"You put your pain on hold. I wanted his life to be about him, I wanted every day to be about him"


Yes to Life and real compassion, not killing--vote NO to abortion.
 

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Thank you to the posters who are no longer on here who are sending me PM's. Love you all. Thank you for your love, your efforts, your messages of support. And most of all for the votes that I have not the right to vote for. I'm beyond overjoyed that you've taken the time to PM me. It means so much to me.
 

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One person dies due to HSE incompetence.

Let's murder more, for the sake of it. Appropriate choice.
How do you know only one woman died? There could be hundreds and it's only because a journalist was made aware of Savita's death and published the facts that we all became aware of it and that was the reason there was an inquiry into it.

It was one woman telling her story of cervical check that alerted all the other women and their families to that scandal.
 

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Someone shouldnt have to be on the very cusp of death before they get to have an abortion. That could seriously affect the mothers physical health.
They're not. Ireland is safer for pregnant women than the UK. Four times safer than the US.

"Maternal death rate of 6.5 per 100,000 or 1 in every 15,301 is extremely low compared with a rate of 8.8 per 100,000 in the UK and 26.7 per 100,000 in the US."
https://www.rcpi.ie/news/releases/institute-of-obstetricians-and-gynaecologists-welcomes-new-figures-that-show-ireland-is-one-of-the-safest-places-to-have-a-baby/

And the Medical Guidelines are clear, risk does not have to be either immediate or inevitable for doctors to intervene.

The level of misinformation led to 5 former Chairs of the OBGYN institute that Boylan currently chairs to make this statement.



"To the Irish public,

As former Chairs of the Institute of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists, we have been horrified at some of the statements made by colleagues during this referendum campaign in relation to maternal care in Ireland.

We are particularly appalled by the comments of Dr Rhona Mahony in the Together for Yes campaign video where she states “In Ireland today, we play medical roulette with women’s lives”, and those of Dr Peter Boylan in the same video where he claims the Eighth Amendment “makes it difficult for us to treat women with compassion and give them the proper care that they need”.

These comments are simply not true and are nothing less than a serious misrepresentation of the Irish maternal health system. We call on them to withdraw these statements.

Each of us has had extensive experience over around 40 years in the specialty of obstetrics and gynaecology. In addition, in our privileged position as Chairs of the Institute of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists, we have fought to improve the standards of care for mothers and their newborn babies.

Ireland is a very safe country in which to be pregnant. The Eighth Amendment does not prevent Irish women receiving care of the highest possible standard. This is why our maternal death rate is so low. Recent Maternal Death Enquiry reports confirm that Ireland is one of the safest places in the world to be pregnant.

Not one of our colleagues should ever be permitted to use the Eighth Amendment as an excuse for not treating a woman. Each one of us can stand over the care we have provided in our careers. Four of us who practised in this jurisdiction have carried out necessary surgery which resulted in termination of pregnancy in order to save and protect Irish women. We had no difficulty in so doing, and the Eighth Amendment did not prevent us from performing an ethical and medically indicated procedure.

On May 25th, Irish people will be asked to vote on whether the right to life of an unborn baby should be withdrawn. If the answer is Yes, it is the stated intention of government to introduce legislation to enable ending the life of a perfectly healthy growing baby, in a perfectly healthy pregnant woman. That is a matter of conscience for each voter.

What this referendum is not about, and what it has never been about, is maternal healthcare. That some campaigners have chosen to engage in a campaign to raise unnecessary fears for maternal health in the electorate is deeply regrettable.

Yours sincerely,

Prof John Bonnar MD FRCPI FRCOG FTCD, Former Chairman, Institute of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists

Dr Eamon McGuinness MA FRCPI FRCOG, Former Chairman, Institute of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists

Dr. Conor Carr MA FRCPI FRCOG, Former Chairman, Institute of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists

Dr James Clinch MD FRCOG, Former Chairman, Institute of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists

Dr Michael O’Hare MD FRCPI FRCOG, Former Chairman Institute of Obstetricians & Gynaecologists”



What's proposed is a reproductive choice.

This was never about the hard cases.



 
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Ellen Ripley

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Thank you to the posters who are no longer on here who are sending me PM's. Love you all. Thank you for your love, your efforts, your messages of support. And most of all for the votes that I have not the right to vote for. I'm beyond overjoyed that you've taken the time to PM me. It means so much to me.
 

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Thank you to the posters who are no longer on here who are sending me PM's. Love you all. Thank you for your love, your efforts, your messages of support. And most of all for the votes that I have not the right to vote for. I'm beyond overjoyed that you've taken the time to PM me. It means so much to me.
Why do you want unknown multiple thousands of unborn babies to be murdered?
 

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Another lie from Emily Davison. An abortion would not have saved Savita; her death was caused by gross mismanagement and she would have died even if the abortion had been done.

Why someone is so committed to murder as Emily Davison is, is beyond belief.
If Savita had been given a termination when she asked for one, she would almost certainly still be alive. That's the bottom line here - the choice should lie with the woman and not with doctors anxiously watching a sick woman get sicker and sicker so they can judge the threat to her life to be substantial before they act. Its the 8th Amendment which causes that, and it needs to go.

Elective abortion, which seems to be what the no campaigners are most scared of, will continue to happen no matter what way the vote goes on Friday. Its women who are too far gone to travel and suffering a health crisis who are affected by the 8th amendment, not the ones who get accidentally pregnant and choose not to continue with it.
 

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They can.

They won't though.
Emily Davison seems to specialise in making threads based on lies, like the one about the two Catholic trainee priests in Rome alleged to have been dismissed for sleeping together. The story was fake news and the two priests are suing the media. That thread was shut down quick smart by the mods.
 


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