Scandal in the Bundeswehr: Extremist views and possible terror plot

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Germany's army, the Bundeswehr, is currently roiled in a scandal regarding the existence of soldiers with far-right views and, more ominously, a possible terror plot by certain soldiers with such views.

It was "simply astonishing," Boris Nannt, the deputy spokesman for the ministry of defense who routinely sports his grey army uniform at press conferences, told journalists earlier this week, that army officials who were presented with evidence of right-wing extremism did not inform the military's counter intelligence services, the Militärische Abschirmdienst (MAD).

Instead, it seems they may have looked the other way. Nannt was referring to the recent scandal that has rocked Germany's Bundeswehr. It's a scandal with twists and turns that could have been borrowed from a badly-written movie plot and involves an officer allegedly plotting a racially motivated attack while posing as a Syrian refugee - and the question whether right-wing extremist views were deliberately ignored by superiors, or worse.

It started with the arrest last week of 28-year-old army lieutenant Franco A., who was stationed at the Franco-German base Illkirch, a French town close to Strasbourg. This followed an investigation after Austrian police caught him with a handgun at Vienna airport back in February of this year.
The latest is that Franco A - who had even registered as a refugee apparently -, together with two other soldiers, had intended to commit a terrorist attack and have it blamed on Islamist militants. One conspirator was found in the possession of what is described as a "hit list" of prominent German politicians who are not opposed to immigration, including the current Justice minister and former president of Germany. Furthermore, in the home of one of the conspirators about a thousands rounds of live ammunition were discovered.

Together, the three suspects allegedly planned to carry out an attack but make it look as though it had been the work of Islamist militants. The trio also compiled a "hit list" of left-leaning politicians who favor immigration, including former German President Joachim Gauck and current Justice Minister Heiko Maas.

Security sources told "Spiegel" that online chats between Franco A., Mathias F., and Maximilian T. clearly showed their attitudes and readiness for violence.

One investigator told the news magazine that each member confirmed "they were ready to kill for their cause."

Authorities are still unsure exactly what the three men were planning to do. They did, however, uncover around 1,000 rounds of live ammunition from the Bundeswehr stashed at the home of Mathias F.
All this is causing a ruckus in Germany with the minister of defense on the defensive, questions being raised about how prevalent far-right views are within the Bundeswehr (additionally Nazi memorabilia were found in a barracks, leading to the minister of defense to call for a search of all Bundeswehr barracks.) and how Franco A. could register as a refugee. All fair questions, and all serious issues that need to be addressed.

I highly recommend reading the following, they explain the whole scandal rather well and sometimes contain links to further reading:

Latest scandal puts spotlight on possible extremist views in the Bundeswehr | Germany | DW.COM | 04.05.2017
Report: Further arrests in German armed forces terrorism scandal | Germany | DW.COM | 09.05.2017
German army calls for searches of all barracks after Nazi memorabilia found | Reuters
 
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Neo-Nazi in Germany today effectively means any German who wants their country out of the glided cage of continuing American occupation, doesn't swallow all the Allied propaganda whole and doesn't psychically whip themselves for being German. Whatever about the obvious evil of the Hitlerite regime they did do aesthetics awfully well it has to be said; three Jewish thinkers of quality acknowledged that fact- Walter Benejamin, Ernst Bloch and Rabbi Jacob Taubes (who is a major intellectual hero of mine- I really don't see how some people here can accuse me of anti-Semitism but than again people are strange).

Oh and....

Ynetnews Jewish Scene - Israelis trade in Nazi memorabilia

Loads of people in the Zionist colonial project apparently love the stuff.
 

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Jaysus this will send the pro Isreal anti Islam crowd into a tizzy.

Do they do sympathise with the Nazi German soldiers for being driven to such extremes by the leftie libtard (Germany is ruled by a centre right party, but facts are secondary), pro immigration feminazis. Yeah probably...


I suppose we may suspend Godwin's for the duration of the thread.
 

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Neo-Nazi in Germany today effectively means any German who wants their country out of the glided cage of continuing American occupation, doesn't swallow all the Allied propaganda whole and doesn't psychically whip themselves for being German. Whatever about the obvious evil of the Hitlerite regime they did do aesthetics awfully well it has to be said; three Jewish thinkers of quality acknowledged that fact- Walter Benejamin, Ernst Bloch and Rabbi Jacob Taubes (who is a major intellectual hero of mine- I really don't see how some people here can accuse me of anti-Semitism but than again people are strange).

Oh and....

Ynetnews Jewish Scene - Israelis trade in Nazi memorabilia

Loads of people in the Zionist colonial project apparently love the stuff.

Would you stop posting nonsense please.
 

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Germany's army, the Bundeswehr, is currently roiled in a scandal regarding the existence of soldiers with far-right views and, more ominously, a possible terror plot by certain soldiers with such views.



The latest is that Franco A - who had even registered as a refugee apparently -, together with two other soldiers, had intended to commit a terrorist attack and have it blamed on Islamist militants. One conspirator was found in the possession of what is described as a "hit list" of prominent German politicians who are not opposed to immigration, including the current Justice minister and former president of Germany. Furthermore, in the home of one of the conspirators about a thousands rounds of live ammunition were discovered.



All this is causing a ruckus in Germany with the minister of defense on the defensive, questions being raised about how prevalent far-right views are within the Bundeswehr (additionally Nazi memorabilia were found in a barracks, leading to the minister of defense to call for a search of all Bundeswehr barracks.) and how Franco A. could register as a refugee. All fair questions, and all serious issues that need to be addressed.

I highly recommend reading the following, they explain the whole scandal rather well and sometimes contain links to further reading:

Latest scandal puts spotlight on possible extremist views in the Bundeswehr | Germany | DW.COM | 04.05.2017
Report: Further arrests in German armed forces terrorism scandal | Germany | DW.COM | 09.05.2017
German army calls for searches of all barracks after Nazi memorabilia found | Reuters

I only met neo-nazis twice whilst living in Germany.
Once was in a house in Norden where I was visiting an ex and one of her friends came back from his military service with the marines.
We were sitting around having a few beers when I noticed that the music was decidedly racist and violent.
I exhorted "was ist das fuer scheissmusik"? (what's this crappy music) to be told "es ist gute Deutsche musik" (it's good German music).

I said man, I'm a foreigner too, can you turn that crap off as it's asking for my execution and stabbing....he said "oh sorry, i didn't notice". He appears to have been radicalised in the military, that said, it's not that uncommon for lower class kids to harbour nazi sympathies these days.

One other time there were three of them on an island I lived on in the North sea, full on skins and nobody would give them a place to stay and they were forced to sleep rough.
 

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I lived there for almost ten years, I am referring to your rubbish about Germans being called Neo-Nazis for loving their country, it's for the fact that they petrol bomb asylum homes that I mostly knew them as neo-nazis, as did your average Germany loving German.
Members of not just of the NPD but also even readers of Junge Freiheit (a great newspaper which actually has Jews writing for it) regularly get labelled as "Neo-Nazi" and there have been very serious attempts to ban both of those things. Neither the NPD or Junge Freiheit has anything to do with Hitlerite hooligans.
 

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Members of not just of the NPD but also even readers of Junge Freiheit (a great newspaper which actually has Jews writing for it) regularly get labelled as "Neo-Nazi" and there have been very serious attempts to ban both of those things. Neither the NPD or Junge Freiheit has anything to do with Hitlerite hooligans.
Quatsch.
 

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Given Western Germany actively reinstated Nazi officials why is it surprising that remnants of this survive into contemporary German society and the military?
 

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Given Western Germany actively reinstated Nazi officials why is it surprising that remnants of this survive into contemporary German society and the military?
Eastern Germany did much the same mind you.
 

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Germany's army, the Bundeswehr, is currently roiled in a scandal regarding the existence of soldiers with far-right views and, more ominously, a possible terror plot by certain soldiers with such views.
Nothing to see there. The US and British forces are riddled with them


I only met neo-nazis twice whilst living in Germany..
Did your place have a mirror?

Germany: Still Under Control of Foreign Powers | Archives | Veterans Today

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World to the wise. Don't cite Veterans Today. It has a thing about "Jews" and is CIA/KKK

Given Western Germany actively reinstated Nazi officials why is it surprising that remnants of this survive into contemporary German society and the military?
Eastern Germany did much the same mind you.
Not just the GDR but the USSR as well. USA only used moderate Nazis, or so they said: Klaus Barbie and the V2 lot. Yanks also hogged all the CBW secrets of the Japanese. Brtis and Yanks are the world's main Nazis. USA ha more Nazis than anyone else. And then there is the Nazi state of Ukraine
 

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Just one example: the first president of the GDR's Supreme Court, Kurt Schumann, had been a member of the NSDAP while also having served in the Wehrmacht's court martial tribunal.

In any case, this thread is about the current ruckus in the Bundeswehr.

Agreed.

It was worse in the East than in the West, not the other way around.
 

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Agreed.

It was worse in the East than in the West, not the other way around.
Pretty much rubbish.


Anyway it wouldn't be a politics.ie thread unless I derailed it
 

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An interesting article on the history of this problem within the Bundeswehr:

The Bundeswehr

With this perhaps being the best parallel to this incident:

André E. had only spent a few days with the German army in the Thuringian city of Gotha when he told his supervising officer straight up: "I identify as a National Socialist." Based on his appearance, it wasn't exactly a secret. He sported a tattoo with the motto of the Hitler Youth, "Blut und Ehre" (blood and honor), because, as he said, he has so much admiration for the SS.

André E. was in training for 10 more months, learning how to shoot an assault rifle and throw hand grenades. This all happened 17 years ago, but André E. is not just any neo-Nazi. He is one of the accused in the Munich trial against the right-wing extremist group, the National Socialist Underground, or NSU. The terrorist group stands accused of bombing attacks and 10 murders.
 

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I think it was SS general Hausser who said the SS was the prototype for the NATO armies.


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