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Scandal of New Children's Hospital Spending overrun - will Harris resign? Of course not

ruman

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A significant factor in the cost over run is the choice of location. PWC would need to go back and look at the various bids again and also more importantly look at who pushed the James St location and WHY.

They wont do this of course as they might have to conclude the childrens hospital is not being built for children!
 


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There is no political will to cut the project scope of work because "our children deserve the best" aka don't hit me with the child in my arms. Talk of a remote greenfield site negates the prime reason for locating the hospital at James or Mater - access to a main adult hospital.
utter horsesh!te ....PR Blarney and spin ...... Great Ormonde Street ...*cough
 

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utter horsesh!te ....PR Blarney and spin ...... Great Ormonde Street ...*cough
Hopefully its not your new born kid who has to be rushed to the new childrens hospital from a maternity hospital in an emergency.

Would you stay in the maternity hospital with ur wife as she recovers from a traumatic birth or the childrens hospital with your seriously ill child?
 

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Hopefully its not your new born kid who has to be rushed to the new childrens hospital from a maternity hospital in an emergency.

Would you stay in the maternity hospital with ur wife as she recovers from a traumatic birth or the childrens hospital with your seriously ill child?
What are you crapping about .....None of the maternity hospitals are general hospitals or childrens hospitals ....and we've been fine for over 150 years ...in fact Doctors come here to train in out maternity hospitals

Ditto Crumlin and Temple street ....not Adult hospitals ...and neither is Great Ormonde Street ....possibly the most successful childrens hospital in the world

Paediatrics is a specialised field of study ....Having it as part of an "adult" hospital as a criteria ...was a big ball of PR spin and horsesh!te
 

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What are you crapping about .....None of the maternity hospitals are general hospitals or childrens hospitals ....and we've been fine for over 150 years ...in fact Doctors come here to train in out maternity hospitals

Ditto Crumlin and Temple street ....not Adult hospitals ...and neither is Great Ormonde Street ....possibly the most successful childrens hospital in the world

Paediatrics is a specialised field of study ....Having it as part of an "adult" hospital as a criteria ...was a big ball of PR spin and horsesh!te
You're sure of that are you? The fact that sonething was done 150 years ago is not really a decent argument. Any country building new maternity and childrens hospitals simultaneously would build them on the same site if at all possible.

I'd suggest you have a conversation with a parent who has had to have their child brought to crumlin or temple st immediately following birth before commenting on a subject you know absolutely nothing about.

I notice you didnt answer my question in your " response" to my post!!
 

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Ah, the free market at work. Gotta love it:

Theo Cullinane, BAM Ireland's chief executive, said the highlight of 2017 was beginning work at the New Children’s Hospital at St James’ Campus and its two satellite centres in Blanchardstown and Tallaght.

"This project represents the biggest single development in the history of the state," he stated.
Uh oh, what's this?

But the BAM CEO also signalled a note of caution for the sector however...

..."Margins and reinvestment in businesses are too low, while obligatory risks are too high. Hugely risky under-pricing of work and risk remains, and below cost tenders are still being accepted by procurement authorities," he stated.

He also highlighted availability of labour, rising labour costs without the possibility of recovering these costs and ongoing inflation as areas of concern.
 

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Really i have 2 also , one had to be rushed to temple in an ambulance. My wife had to stay in the maternity hospital as i raced after the ambulance in rush hour traffic.

I'll resist the urge to respond to your personal abuse. Thank you
You'd walk from the Rotunda to Temple street in 10 minutes

And the New Childrens hospital is not a Maternity hospital, its planned to incorporate the Coombe AT SOME POINT but not initially ..and if on the Northside you'll be in Blanch ...so next time you will have to chase the ambulance from Blanchardstown to James hospital ..yeah thats much better FFS! :roll:
 

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You'd walk from the Rotunda to Temple street in 10 minutes

And the New Childrens hospital is not a Maternity hospital, its planned to incorporate the Coombe AT SOME POINT but not initially ..and if on the Northside you'll be in Blanch ...so next time you will have to chase the ambulance from Blanchardstown to James hospital ..yeah thats much better FFS! :roll:
I never mentioned the rotunda. Would you normally go out for a stroll if your child has to be rushed to a hospital?
Building the new childrens and maternity hospitals on the site that was offered in connolly was the obvious solution.

My understanding is there wont be sufficient space to incorporate the Coombe.

Anyway will you stay with your seriously ill child or your wife?

Feel free to keep the abuse coming in an effort to conceal your lack of knowlege of the topic. Have a nice day
 

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Harris is a child who’s more interested in getting Twitter likes with vacuous pro-abortion banalities than taking charge of his department or the HSE. This hospital is a national scandal and the OP is absolute right that Harris is being shielded by the media
 

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Harris is a child who’s more interested in getting Twitter likes with vacuous pro-abortion banalities than taking charge of his department or the HSE. This hospital is a national scandal and the OP is absolute right that Harris is being shielded by the media
The choice of location made cost " over runs" inevitable. It is those responsible for choosing St James that are respinsible. We would be better served looking at those who drove that decision and their motivation
 

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The choice of location made cost " over runs" inevitable. It is those responsible for choosing St James that are respinsible.
Bollocks. He’s the Minister so he’s responsible. Instead of dealing with the issue he’s hiding
 

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Bollocks. He’s the Minister so he’s responsible. Instead of dealing with the issue he’s hiding
You could sack him tomorrow but I doubt it makes much difference who is minister unless the underlying causes of that decision are addressed
 

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You could sack him tomorrow but I doubt it makes much difference who is minister unless the underlying causes of that decision are addressed
In two years the projected cost has doubled. If Harris isn’t responsible then nobody is
 

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In two years the projected cost has doubled. If Harris isn’t responsible then nobody is
Welcome to the irish health service

That hospital cost was massively undercosted to ensure the James St site was selected. The cost over run is shocking but the initial figure was fairy tale stuff. Look up connolly4kids and you'll see this was all predicted 4 or 5 years ago
 

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Harris is a child who’s more interested in getting Twitter likes with vacuous pro-abortion banalities than taking charge of his department or the HSE. This hospital is a national scandal and the OP is absolute right that Harris is being shielded by the media
In fairness to Harris, doesn't the previous M for H bear some responsibility here?
 

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In fairness to Harris, doesn't the previous M for H bear some responsibility here?
Of course. I’m not saying SH is the only person responsible. But he’s the current minister and therefore political responsibility rests with him
 

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You'd walk from the Rotunda to Temple street in 10 minutes

And the New Childrens hospital is not a Maternity hospital, its planned to incorporate the Coombe AT SOME POINT but not initially ..and if on the Northside you'll be in Blanch ...so next time you will have to chase the ambulance from Blanchardstown to James hospital ..yeah thats much better FFS! :roll:
Leading doctor calls for complete overhaul of National Children's Hospital project - Dublin Live

Is this doctor also a " bufoon"?


Dr Fin Breatnach has urged that the cost of stopping the current Children’s hospital building on the James’s site should be evaluated along with the price a new construction project on a Greenfield site with a combined materni
ty hospital.
 
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