Scepticism over Saudi plans for futuristic mega-city.

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Amidst much fanfare, the Saudis announced yesterday in Riyadh that they were going to build a futuristic mega-city costing half a trillion US dollars near the border with Jordan and across the Straits of Tiran from Egypt. It will be a truly wondrous place, by all accounts with driverless cars. And robots. And drones. It will also be powered by renewable energies such as solar power and wind. That much at least sounds feasible with its proposed location in a desert region and along the sea.

Given its location, the city - which goes by the working title of Neom - should be of benefit to Jordan and Egypt. It will be partly built on the two formerly Egyptian islands of Tiran and Sanafir which Cairo controversially handed over to Saudi Arabia during the summer in exchange for a $22bn aid package. Egyptian courts ruled against the deal but al-Sisi went ahead anyway.

Another factor is Israel. This proposed city will straddle the Straits of Tiran which controls access to the Israeli port of Eilat. The Egyptians blocked them in 1967 leading to the Six Day War in which Israel inflicted crushing defeats on several Arab armies. The Saudis won't want to mess in that issue and some analysts say that the whole venture will need Israeli sign-off. Maybe this was on the agenda when that Saudi prince visited Israel a few weeks ago. But in the long term, it could lead to greater economic integration between Egypt, Israel, Jordan and Saudi Arabia.

However, there is understandable scepticism as to whether or not these plans will ever come to fruition. This is far from the first time that the Saudis have planned a mega-city. In 2005, King Abdullah launched a grandiose plan to build no fewer than six (!) new cities from scratch. Only one of those - The King Abdullah Economic City - ever really became functional and even those plans are floundering already.
 


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Welcome to worlds biggest Prison camp where recreation is heading to the Mosque, entertainment is in specially constructed stadiums where Christians and Non Sunnis are thrown to the Lions and millions of slaves pander to the wealthy.
 

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Amidst much fanfare, the Saudis announced yesterday in Riyadh that they were going to build a futuristic mega-city costing half a trillion US dollars near the border with Jordan and across the Straits of Tiran from Egypt. It will be a truly wondrous place, by all accounts with driverless cars. And robots. And drones. It will also be powered by renewable energies such as solar power and wind. That much at least sounds feasible with its proposed location in a desert region and along the sea.

Given its location, the city - which goes by the working title of Neom - should be of benefit to Jordan and Egypt. It will be partly built on the two formerly Egyptian islands of Tiran and Sanafir which Cairo controversially handed over to Saudi Arabia during the summer in exchange for a $22bn aid package. Egyptian courts ruled against the deal but al-Sisi went ahead anyway.

Another factor is Israel. This proposed city will straddle the Straits of Tiran which controls access to the Israeli port of Eilat. The Egyptians blocked them in 1967 leading to the Six Day War in which Israel inflicted crushing defeats on several Arab armies. The Saudis won't want to mess in that issue and some analysts say that the whole venture will need Israeli sign-off. Maybe this was on the agenda when that Saudi prince visited Israel a few weeks ago. But in the long term, it could lead to greater economic integration between Egypt, Israel, Jordan and Saudi Arabia.

However, there is understandable scepticism as to whether or not these plans will ever come to fruition. This is far from the first time that the Saudis have planned a mega-city. In 2005, King Abdullah launched a grandiose plan to build no fewer than six (!) new cities from scratch. Only one of those - The King Abdullah Economic City - ever really became functional and even those plans are floundering already.
I always thought it was bullshît when I read it.

Makes no sense and where exactly would they attract people from?

They seem to be on a nutty PR campaign right now.

Even in a "post oil" era, why the frig would anyone want to go and live in that shît hole.

There's hardly an indigenous demand or market either.
 
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This blurby video has PEOPLE OF DIFFERENT SEXES associating with each other and the women aren't covered head to toe. :shock:

They'll have to put down minefields to keep out the morality and vice police.

[video=youtube;tDv-DHjbxTc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDv-DHjbxTc[/video]
 

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I agree but I also think North Korea would take first place over Saudi.

Both hell holes.

I think once NK is eventually liberated we will be as shocked at discovering what's really going on there just like the allies were when they liberated/ discovered the Nazi death camps.
 

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I always thought it was bullshît when I read it.

Makes no sense and where exactly would they attract people from?

They seem to be on a nutty PR campaign right now.

Even in a "post oil" era, why the frig would anyone want to go and live in that shît hole.

There's hardly an indigenous demand or market.
There's no internal dynamic in Saudi Arabia, no entrepreneurial culture that could create wealth. They're happy to fritter away the massive oil wealth on follies and when they've spent it all, you could see the place returning to what it was: a dirt poor and arid wasteland of squabbling tribes.
 

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Wont happen in a million years.
The last grand projet (King Abdullah Economic City - the one that actually got built) has a population of 3-5,000 which puts it right up there with....oooh......Athenry or Listowel.
 

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The last grand projet (King Abdullah Economic City - the one that actually got built) has a population of 3-5,000 which puts it right up there with....oooh......Athenry or Listowel.
I think the Saudis have been watching too much Bladerunner.........while smoking crack.
 
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There's no internal dynamic in Saudi Arabia, no entrepreneurial culture that could create wealth. They're happy to fritter away the massive oil wealth on follies and when they've spent it all, you could see the place returning to what it was: a dirt poor and arid wasteland of squabbling tribes.
People always believe what they fear, or what they desire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrepreneurship_Policies_in_Saudi_Arabia

Saudi Arabia to Launch a $30-$50 Billion Renewable Energy Program

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/608468/a-different-story-from-the-middle-east-entrepreneurs-building-an-arab-tech-economy/
 

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Mad Ted. Like at this stage should they not be seriously building up some kind of domestic industry that can bring in a few quid in the future. Europe will be buying less and less oil going forward. They need a plan b, quickly.

This UA barmy stuff. A new City? Will there be Friday beheadings after prayers there too?
 

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KSA ranks below Moldova, Mongolia and Costa Rica for innovation.

https://www.globalinnovationindex.org/analysis-indicator

There's no excuse for that considering the enormous wealth they have that they could use to educate their people to world class levels, or bump up their R&D spending or do the necessary to build a knowledge economy.

This "megacity" is the same old same old. Build some sort of Dubai Mark II and if it's glitzy enough, clever foreigners will come to keep the place ticking over.
 

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that they were going to build a futuristic mega-city costing half a trillion US dollars
I think the fact the Saudis are trying to do this is fascinating. Not the city itself; but the desire to build it. Islam sits on the Saudi shoulder like a smelly, decrepit and aggressive rhesus monkey ready to claw and scrawm its carriers face at the slightest provocation. The Saudi has appointed this monkey as God and will out of habit defend it to the death but at the same time a part of them desperately wants from underneath it. Building cities like this are ways of getting time away from the Monkey without denouncing it.
 

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I think the fact the Saudis are trying to do this is fascinating. Not the city itself; but the desire to build it. Islam sits on the Saudi shoulder like a smelly, decrepit and aggressive rhesus monkey ready to claw and scrawm its carriers face at the slightest provocation. The Saudi has appointed this monkey as God and will out of habit defend it to the death but at the same time desperately wants from underneath it. Building cities like this are ways of getting time away from the Monkey without denouncing it.
They tried these megacities before and it really didn't work at all.
 

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They tried these megacities before and it really didn't work at all.
Yer man is new and is tuned into the 70% of the country which is under 25.
 

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Yer man is new and is tuned into the 70% of the country which is under 25.
I genuinely wish them well. If it works, it would be a huge boon to the Egyptians and Jordanians and if they get the Israelis involved and everyone gets along well, the place will boom. But it will need lots of people to be a city and people will want jobs. And they can't just be jobs to keep the snazzy robots and drones going. It will have to be the sort of place that creates wealth rather than a place where people are just there to keep the place going.
 

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Amidst much fanfare, the Saudis announced yesterday in Riyadh that they were going to build a futuristic mega-city costing half a trillion US dollars near the border with Jordan and across the Straits of Tiran from Egypt. It will be a truly wondrous place, by all accounts with driverless cars. And robots. And drones. It will also be powered by renewable energies such as solar power and wind. That much at least sounds feasible with its proposed location in a desert region and along the sea.

Given its location, the city - which goes by the working title of Neom - should be of benefit to Jordan and Egypt. It will be partly built on the two formerly Egyptian islands of Tiran and Sanafir which Cairo controversially handed over to Saudi Arabia during the summer in exchange for a $22bn aid package. Egyptian courts ruled against the deal but al-Sisi went ahead anyway.

Another factor is Israel. This proposed city will straddle the Straits of Tiran which controls access to the Israeli port of Eilat. The Egyptians blocked them in 1967 leading to the Six Day War in which Israel inflicted crushing defeats on several Arab armies. The Saudis won't want to mess in that issue and some analysts say that the whole venture will need Israeli sign-off. Maybe this was on the agenda when that Saudi prince visited Israel a few weeks ago. But in the long term, it could lead to greater economic integration between Egypt, Israel, Jordan and Saudi Arabia.

However, there is understandable scepticism as to whether or not these plans will ever come to fruition. This is far from the first time that the Saudis have planned a mega-city. In 2005, King Abdullah launched a grandiose plan to build no fewer than six (!) new cities from scratch. Only one of those - The King Abdullah Economic City - ever really became functional and even those plans are floundering already.
This would be a direct attack on Israel's security. Any attempt to block, control or hinder traffic on the Straits of Tiran would lead quickly to conflict with Israel.
 


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