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Scientific Study: "there are no mental health consequences of abortion compared to carrying an unwanted pregnancy to term"


SKELLY

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Scientific Study: "there are no mental health consequences of abortion compared to carrying an unwanted pregnancy to term"

Interesting study which seems to dismiss alot of what the prolifers say about effects of abortion on womens health.
They seem to constantly point to studies that suggest an increase in mental health issue in women who have had abortions.

This study finds otherwise
Article:
What happens to women denied abortions? This is the first scientific study to find out.

Study:
ANSIRH: Research and other work—The Turnaway Study

The study is 2 years into its 5 year term.

Public health researchers with the UC San Francisco group Advancing New Standards in Reproductive Health (ANSIRH) used data from 956 women who sought abortions at 30 different abortion clinics around the U.S. 182 of them were turned away. The researchers, led by Diana Greene Foster, followed and did intensive interviews with these women, who ran the gamut of abortion experiences.

One of the biggest concerns about abortion is that it causes emotional problems that lead to clinical depression. The Turnaway Study looked at that question from two angles: how did turnaways and women who got abortions feel; and did they become clinically depressed. "It's important to remember that how you feel is a separate question from whether you have a mental health problem," Foster said. We'll look at women's emotions here, and discuss mental health in the next section.

As the researchers said at the American Public Health Association Meeting, "One week after seeking abortion, 97% of women who obtained an abortion felt that abortion was the right decision; 65% of turnaways still wished they had been able to obtain an abortion." Also one week after being denied an abortion, turnaways told the researchers that they had more feelings of anxiety than the women who had abortions. Women who had abortions overwhelming reported feeling relieved (90%), though many also felt sad and guilty afterwards. All of these feelings faded naturally over time in both groups, however. A year later, there were no differences in anxiety or depression between the two groups.

In other words, the Turnaway Study found no indication that there were lasting, harmful negative emotions associated with getting an abortion. The only emotional difference between the two groups at one year was that the turnaways were more stressed. They were more likely to say that they felt like they had more to do than they could get done.
statement from the study:
We have found that there are no mental health consequences of abortion compared to carrying an unwanted pregnancy to term. There are other interesting findings: even later abortion is safer than childbirth and women who carried an unwanted pregnancy to term are three times more likely than women who receive an abortion to be below the poverty level two years later.
 

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Interesting study which seems to dismiss alot of what the prolifers say about effects of abortion on womens health.
They seem to constantly point to studies that suggest an increase in mental health issue in women who have had abortions.

This study finds otherwise
Article:
What happens to women denied abortions? This is the first scientific study to find out.

Study:
ANSIRH: Research and other work—The Turnaway Study

The study is 2 years into its 5 year term.

statement from the study:
BEWARE OF CATHOLICS QUOTING PEER REVIEWED STUDIES ON ABORTION

A woman guest on Vincent Brown's show last night,a spokesperson for a "right to life" group,claimed that many peer reviewed studies showed that women suffer very negative psychological consequences from abortions. I suspect these studies were done by religious people who subconsciously reached conclusions that verified their anti abortion religious beliefs. Since psychological states of mind are subjective,data on them can easily be misleading. Recently,I read that a high percentage of Irish youth,maybe a third,are depressed and they probably are if depression is feeling the blues!

But if abortion really does depress women,Eastern Europe,Russia and China must be overwhelmed with depression: most of the female population routinely used abortion instead of contraceptives under Communism, which couldn't supply contraceptives and birth control pills among other advanced consumer goods.
 

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BEWARE OF CATHOLICS QUOTING PEER REVIEWED STUDIES ON ABORTION

A woman guest on Vincent Brown's show last night,a spokesperson for a "right to life" group,claimed that many peer reviewed studies showed that women suffer very negative psychological consequences from abortions. I suspect these studies were done by religious people who subconsciously reached conclusions that verified their anti abortion religious beliefs. Since psychological states of mind are subjective,data on them can easily be misleading. Recently,I read that a high percentage of Irish youth,maybe a third,are depressed and they probably are if depression is feeling the blues!

But if abortion really does depress women,Eastern Europe,Russia and China must be overwhelmed with depression: most of the female population routinely used abortion instead of contraceptives under Communism, which couldn't supply contraceptives and birth control pills among other advanced consumer goods.
We must remember this post the next time you quote Jack Welch, or IBEC, or whoever else commissions a survey that just happens to magically back up their way of thinking.
 

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Interesting study which seems to dismiss alot of what the prolifers say about effects of abortion on womens health.
They seem to constantly point to studies that suggest an increase in mental health issue in women who have had abortions.

This study finds otherwise
Article:
What happens to women denied abortions? This is the first scientific study to find out.

Study:
ANSIRH: Research and other work—The Turnaway Study

The study is 2 years into its 5 year term.


statement from the study:
Galway Pro Choice printing press is on overtime? petunia
 

sondagefaux

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Interesting. Also worth noting that one of the leading causes of maternal mortality in the UK is suicide after or during pregnancy.
 

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Interestingly the pro-choice lobby will not like the following;

Ireland is the only country in Europe that has no set gestational limit for an abortion to be provided. On this basis Ireland provides the strongest protections possible to a woman's life during pregnancy in all of Europe.

Believe me I never thought I could state the above about Ireland but it is true.

For the record I'm in the middle on this issue but leaning towards leaving the above alone.

Europe's abortion rules
 
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patslatt

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Interestingly the pro-choice lobby will not like the following;

Ireland is the only country in Europe that has no set gestational limit for an abortion to be provided. On this basis Ireland provides the strongest protections possible to a woman's life during pregnancy in all of Europe.

Believe me I never thought I could state the above about Ireland but it is true.

For the record I'm in the middle on this issue but leaning towards leaving the above alone.

Europe's abortion rules
TIME TO STAND UP TO THE HOLY JOE FUNDAMENTALIST IRISH RELIGIOUS MINORITY WITHIN THE BROADLY TOLERANT RELIGIOUS POPULATION

Blind beliefs in religious teachings from the ancient world motivates people to dictate laws on abortion. It is none of their business what a woman decides to do with her pregnant body with the help of her doctors. It's time Ireland grew up and stood up to the holy Joe fundamentalist Irish religious minority.
 
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It just obscures the issue anyway. If 90 percent of all women who had abortions committed suicide, that wouldn't make it right to ban it.
 
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Mental health implications are irrelevant - I have always said so. It's a secondary debate. The only debate that matters is about whether there is a human life involved and whether it is right to end such a life.
We have no sound basis on which to answer that question - and, therefore, no grounds to tell a woman she cannot have an abortion.
 

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Mental health implications are irrelevant - I have always said so. It's a secondary debate. The only debate that matters is about whether there is a human life involved and whether it is right to end such a life.
It can be. So long as it's an 'unintended consequence', ne c'est pas? :roll:
 
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Is it weird that I don't place much faith in the words 'scientific study' any more? Too many of these studies are found later on to not have repeatable results due to selective sampling, too small a sample, biased sampling or lack of understanding of confounding variables.

It's bad enough when it comes to observable medical fact but when it comes to mental health they appear almost useless and only serve to reinforce pre-existing prejudices as you end up with 50 studies saying one thing and another 50 saying the polar opposite.

Not weighing in on the abortion debate at all really... just moaning about falling standards among the scientific community.
 

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Is it weird that I don't place much faith in the words 'scientific study' any more? Too many of these studies are found later on to not have repeatable results due to selective sampling, too small a sample, biased sampling or lack of understanding of confounding variables.

It's bad enough when it comes to observable medical fact but when it comes to mental health they appear almost useless and only serve to reinforce pre-existing prejudices as you end up with 50 studies saying one thing and another 50 saying the polar opposite.

Not weighing in on the abortion debate at all really... just moaning about falling standards among the scientific community.
Is this opinion based on the entirety of scientific output, or on a selective sample?
 

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TIME TO STAND UP TO THE HOLY JOE FUNDAMENTALIST IRISH RELIGIOUS MINORITY.

Blind beliefs in religious teachings from the ancient world motivates people to dictate laws on abortion. It is none of their business what a woman decides to do with her pregnant body with the help of her doctors. It's time Ireland grew up and stood up to the holy Joe fundamentalist Irish religious minority.
We did. We voted twice against removing the threat of suicide as a grounds for legal abortion.
The government didnt legislate.
So here we are , yet again
 
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It can be. So long as it's an 'unintended consequence', ne c'est pas? :roll:
You're a peculiarly aggressive poster. I try hard to be a courteous and civil poster on issues like this, acknowledging that others have different views from me and debating respectfully with them - strinjack for example - and I try not to use :roll: emoticons to be dismissive of those with whom I disagree. Do you not think you can debate such an issue without overt hostility?
 

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You're a peculiarly aggressive poster. I try hard to be a courteous and civil poster on issues like this, acknowledging that others have different views from me and debating respectfully with them - strinjack for example - and I try not to use :roll: emoticons to be dismissive of those with whom I disagree. Do you not think you can debate such an issue without overt hostility?
You're making an issue out of the use of an emoticon? I didn't have you down as the sensitive flower type.

I don't think the notion of 'double effect' deserves much in the way of respect.
 
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You're making an issue out of the use of an emoticon? I didn't have you down as the sensitive flower type.

I don't think the notion of 'double effect' deserves much in the way of respect.
No, it's your general approach, in evidence quite often - hostility, ostentatious displays of contempt, disparagement, etc. The fact is that this topic has divided people for aeons, and there are, believe it or not, principled and reasoned views on both sides. If I can acknowledge that and conduct myself accordingly, why can't you?
 

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I will never understand how a mother, who has had an abortion, can look at her grown up children in the eye and tell them she aborted her earlier babies
That must be devastating to the relationship
The living children must wonder what if it was me ..
I guess they always have to hide that from their children
 

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No, it's your general approach, in evidence quite often - hostility, ostentatious displays of contempt, disparagement, etc. The fact is that this topic has divided people for aeons, and there are, believe it or not, principled and reasoned views on both sides. If I can acknowledge that and conduct myself accordingly, why can't you?
I guess we can't all be as perfect as the man who defended John Peel, who stated in an interview that one of the perks of his job was getting blow-jobs from 13 year-olds.

Do the words 'holier than thou' mean anything to you?
 
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