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Scotland get new national Police force


seabhcan

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From today, the previous 8 regional police forces which covered the territory of Scotland (8 of the 52 regional forces in the UK) have been unified into a single force to cover the whole country.

The force, called Police Scotland, will be accountable to the Scottish Parliament and will have 17,400 officers and 6,200 civilian staff - making it proportionately much larger than our Gardai. Cuts in these numbers are likely as the Scottish government has promised the merger will save 1.4 billion.

Is this a step in the direction of independence for Scotland? Or just a casual reform in policing. Police Scotland is now the 2nd largest force in the UK, after the London Met.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/apr/01/police-scotland-stephen-house-chief-constable
 

ruserious

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Good move for Salmond. Makes a national boundary so to speak.
 

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17,000 police officers for a population of 5 million is ridiculously high. At least 3,000 of those should be shaved off in the coming years.
 

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17,000 police officers for a population of 5 million is ridiculously high. At least 3,000 of those should be shaved off in the coming years.
Taking into account the shifts. Lets keep it very simple and say they all work a 4 shift roster. Now you have 4250 officers at any given time for a population of 5 million.
 

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From today, the previous 8 regional police forces which covered the territory of Scotland (8 of the 52 regional forces in the UK) have been unified into a single force to cover the whole country.

The force, called Police Scotland, will be accountable to the Scottish Parliament and will have 17,400 officers and 6,200 civilian staff - making it proportionately much larger than our Gardai. Cuts in these numbers are likely as the Scottish government has promised the merger will save 1.4 billion.

Is this a step in the direction of independence for Scotland? Or just a casual reform in policing. Police Scotland is now the 2nd largest force in the UK, after the London Met.

Scotland's new unified police force replaces eight regional constabularies | UK news | guardian.co.uk
If so, will be interesting to see how the SNP handles the backlash over a decidingly non-populist policy.
 
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From today, the previous 8 regional police forces which covered the territory of Scotland (8 of the 52 regional forces in the UK) have been unified into a single force to cover the whole country.

The force, called Police Scotland, will be accountable to the Scottish Parliament and will have 17,400 officers and 6,200 civilian staff - making it proportionately much larger than our Gardai. Cuts in these numbers are likely as the Scottish government has promised the merger will save 1.4 billion.

Is this a step in the direction of independence for Scotland? Or just a casual reform in policing. Police Scotland is now the 2nd largest force in the UK, after the London Met.
Salmond might think it's the former but the reality is that it's merely the latter.
 

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17,000 police officers for a population of 5 million is ridiculously high. At least 3,000 of those should be shaved off in the coming years.
17,000 is not a high number.

It works out at approx. 1 officer to every 2 miles, the RoI has 1 officer to every 2 miles and NI has approx 1 officer to every mile.
 

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Police Scotland is a rubbish name. They should stick with the Scottish name only:

Seirbheis Phoilis na h-Alba. Much better. :)
 

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They have done the same with their fire service as well

Major challenges ahead for Scotland's single fire service | Public Leaders Network | Guardian Professional

They have one service of over 8000 firefighters for a population of 5.2 million people.
We have 30 different authorities with many chiefs and separate admin and only 3000 firefighters for a population of 4.5 million.

Guess which country the department of environment didn't look at when doing their review of the fire service.
Didn't FG propose the establishment of a national Fire Service some years back when they were on the opposition benches. Maybe it's time we did the same here, and merge it into the HSE Ambulance Service, like what the Americans do with their fire and ambulance services.
 

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I'm actually in favour of abolishing the armed forces in the event of independence in favour of increased police spending. If we must have some kind of military group for international representation, they should be a dedicated peacekeeping unit actively trained in creating and protecting safe zones for civilians, recognising and providing rudimentary care for victims of trauma and so on.
 

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I'm actually in favour of abolishing the armed forces in the event of independence in favour of increased police spending. If we must have some kind of military group for international representation, they should be a dedicated peacekeeping unit actively trained in creating and protecting safe zones for civilians, recognising and providing rudimentary care for victims of trauma and so on.
I believe Salmond has talked about creating a small Scottish Defence Force, not too dissimilar to Ireland. It would probably need some air corps for patrolling the North Sea, especially with Russian bombers known to be active in Scottish airspace in recent years......

Typhoon fighter jets from RAF Leuchars intercepted two Russian bombers, it has been revealed.

On October 11 the fighters from Number 6 Squadron, based at the Fife air base, were scrambled after the two aircraft entered international airspace protected by Nato.

They were not communicating with either civilian or military air traffic control, had not filed a flight plan and were not transmitting a recognisable radar code.

They were identified as Tupelov Tu-95 'Bear' bombers, and the RAF Typhoons kept the aircraft under surveillance until the Russian planes cleared the UK’s Flight Information Region.
Russian bombers intercepted by RAF Leuchars jets | Dundee & Tayside | News | STV

In the long term I believe the EU nations are going to have to establish some sort of Euro Defence Zone to replace Nato, as a deterrence against Russian aggression.
 

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I believe that Russian bombers were active in British airspace, not Scottish airspace. There is a large difference. In the event of independence I am sure the Russians would have no reason to be aggressive towards us, nor would we have any reason to do the same to them. I advocate strengthening international ties with Russia rather than becoming a strong competitor, given the close contact we're going to have in the future as exploitation of minerals in the Arctic circle develops.

Generally speaking Scotland has no enemies. We have only gained "enemies" like Al-Qaeda, the USSR in the past and so on because of our status within the Union. In the event of independence we should declare outright neutrality, thereby "restarting" relations.
 

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Didn't FG propose the establishment of a national Fire Service some years back when they were on the opposition benches. Maybe it's time we did the same here, and merge it into the HSE Ambulance Service, like what the Americans do with their fire and ambulance services.
Not just the US. Many major cities around the world run a fire based EMS system. Paris, Tokyo to name but two.
 

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Police Scotland is a rubbish name. They should stick with the Scottish name only:

Seirbheis Phoilis na h-Alba. Much better. :)
I agree, it's not only rubbish though, it's downright fu*king stupid. It sounds like something some spotty, adolescent, twerp in a third-rate ad agency would dream up, thinking it's "radical and edgy", when really it's just plain shyte, not to mention gimmicky, meaningless and grammatically ugly.
No doubt they have some equally vacuous "Mission Statement" to go with it. :mad:
"The Scottish Police Service" (and it's Gaelic equivalent where appropriate) would be far better.
 

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The Scots Polis Sairvice would also be sufficient, along with the Gaelic.
 
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I agree, it's not only rubbish though, it's downright fu*king stupid. It sounds like something some spotty, adolescent, twerp in a third-rate ad agency would dream up, thinking it's "radical and edgy", when really it's just plain shyte, not to mention gimmicky, meaningless and grammatically ugly.
No doubt they have some equally vacuous "Mission Statement" to go with it. :mad:
"The Scottish Police Service" (and it's Gaelic equivalent where appropriate) would be far better.
For once we're in agreement. Best kill some kittens to celebrate this joyous occasion. But yeah, "Police Scotland"?! Ugh. Sounds like the sort of shyte that has gone through about 2 dozen focus groups. Oddly enough it's official name is actually the Police Service of Scotland. What the fuk is wrong with that name? Police Scotland is its "corporate name". Load of bollox really.

Police Scotland
 

Ren84

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The Scots Polis Sairvice would also be sufficient, along with the Gaelic.
I don't think it has a Scots name, which is weird because the PSNI does have one, even though there are less Scots speakers in NI than in Scotland.
 

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In the long term I believe the EU nations are going to have to establish some sort of Euro Defence Zone to replace Nato, as a deterrence against Russian aggression.
NATO is going nowhere, no one is scared enough of the EU to be deterred from anything.

What would they do - issue a strongly worded directive condemning the aggression before falling out over how & who should actually deal with it?
 
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