Scotland's Ossianic Poems seem to be Irish



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Interesting piece of research involving Irish and English Universities trying to settle a 250 year old dispute of the origin of these poems. It seems that the characters and their relationships strongly resemble those of Irish mythology.

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The Songs of Selma
Ossian and Ossianic Poetry

From the ‘Poems of Ossian,’ by James Macpherson

STAR of descending night! fair is thy light in the west!
Thou liftest thy unshorn head from thy cloud; thy steps are stately on thy hill.
What dost thou behold in the plain? The stormy winds are laid.
The murmur of the torrent comes from afar. Roaring waves climb the distant rock.
The flies of evening are on their feeble wings; the hum of their course is on the field.
What dost thou behold, fair light? But thou dost smile and depart.
The waves come with joy around thee: they bathe thy lovely hair.
Farewell, thou silent beam! Let the light of Ossian’s soul arise! 1

And it does arise in its strength! I behold my departed friends.
Their gathering is on Lora, as in the days of other years.
Fingal comes like a watery column of mist; his heroes are around.
And see the bards of song, gray-haired Ullin! stately Ryno!
Alpin with the tuneful voice! the soft complaint of Minona!
How are ye changed, my friends, since the days of Selma’s feast!
when we contended like gales of spring, as they fly along the hill and bend by turns the feebly whistling grass. 2

Minona came forth in her beauty; with downcast look and tearful eye.
Her hair flew slowly on the blast, that rushed unfrequent from the hill.
The souls of the heroes were sad when she raised the tuneful voice.
Often had they seen the grave of Salgar, the dark dwelling of white-bosomed Colma.
Colma left alone on the hill, with all her voice of song!
Salgar promised to come; but the night descended around.
Hear the voice of Colma, when she sat alone on the hill!
 

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O Captain, My Captain Obvious! The people who inhabited parts of what is now Scotland and what is now Ireland were once the one people, sharing language and culture, legends and music, as is bleedin' obvious even today.
 

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O Captain, My Captain Obvious! The people who inhabited parts of what is now Scotland and what is now Ireland were once the one people, sharing language and culture, legends and music, as is bleedin' obvious even today.
Many US travelers visit Ireland and Scotland as part of the one package.
 

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COLMA
It is night; I am alone, forlorn on the hill of storms. The wind is heard in the mountain. The torrent pours down the rock. No hut receives me from the rain; forlorn on the hill of winds! 4

Rise, moon! from behind thy clouds. Stars of the night, arise! Lead me, some light, to the place where my love rests from the chase alone! his bow near him, unstrung; his dogs panting around him. But here I must sit alone, by the rock of the mossy stream. The stream and the wind roar aloud. I hear not the voice of my love! Why delays my Salgar, why the chief of the hill, his promise? Here is the rock, and here the tree! here is the roaring stream! Thou didst promise with night to be here. Ah! whither is my Salgar gone? With thee I would fly, from my father; with thee, from my brother of pride. Our race have long been foes: we are not foes, O Salgar! 5

Cease a little while, O wind! stream, be thou silent awhile! let my voice be heard around. Let my wanderer hear me! Salgar! it is Colma who calls. Here is the tree, and the rock. Salgar, my love! I am here. Why delayest thou thy coming? Lo! the calm moon comes forth. The flood is bright in the vale. The rocks are gray on the steep. I see him not on the brow. His dogs come not before him, with tidings of his near approach. Here I must sit alone. 6

Who lie on the heath beside me? Are they my love and my brother? Speak to me, O my friends! To Colma they give no reply. Speak to me: I am alone! My soul is tormented with fears! Ah! they are dead! Their swords are red from the fight. O my brother! my brother! why hast thou slain my Salgar? why, O Salgar! hast thou slain my brother? Dear were ye both to me! what shall I say in your praise? Thou wert fair on the hill among thousands! he was terrible in fight. Speak to me; hear my voice; hear me, sons of my love! They are silent; silent forever! Cold, cold are their breasts of clay! Oh! from the rock on the hill; from the top of the windy steep, speak, ye ghosts of the dead! speak, I will not be afraid! Whither are ye gone to rest? In what cave of the hill shall I find the departed? No feeble voice is on the gale: no answer half drowned in the storm! 7

I sit in my grief! I wait for morning in my tears! Rear the tomb, ye friends of the dead. Close it now till Colma come. My life flies away like a dream: why should I stay behind? Here shall I rest with my friends, by the stream of the sounding rock. When night comes on the hill; when the loud winds arise; my ghost shall stand in the blast, and mourn the death of my friends. The hunter shall hear from his booth. He shall fear but love my voice! For sweet shall my voice be for my friends: pleasant were her friends to Colma! 8
 

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Many US travelers visit Ireland and Scotland as part of the one package.
Even more don't.
The Scots,quite rightly,despise the catholic irish as being lazy and feckless. The Scots are a proud british nation of empire builders dedicated to hard work,industry and invention. These concepts are totally foreign to Paddy. Eire's only notable denizens were and are anglos.
 

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Even more don't.
The Scots,quite rightly,despise the catholic irish as being lazy and feckless. The Scots are a proud british nation of empire builders dedicated to hard work,industry and invention. These concepts are totally foreign to Paddy. Eire's only notable denizens were and are anglos.
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Those Scots who are historically and racially linked to the Irish, are those predominantly in the highlands and islands. The lowland Scots are generally the ones who Ex Celt regards as "proud empire builders" etc.

Alas for such ageing Colonel McBlimps, the people of Scotland, from all traditions, seem intent on breaking the connection with London and establishing their own sovereign and independent country.

Ar tig an latha! as Gerry McAdams might say.
 

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O Captain, My Captain Obvious! The people who inhabited parts of what is now Scotland and what is now Ireland were once the one people, sharing language and culture, legends and music, as is bleedin' obvious even today.
Except the Picts.

Or Servco rangers fans as we know them today
 

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Interesting piece of research involving Irish and English Universities trying to settle a 250 year old dispute of the origin of these poems. It seems that the characters and their relationships strongly resemble those of Irish mythology.

Science sheds light on 250-year-old literary controversy
You're well named :)


Whether or not McPherson composed his stories or collected them (the originals are curiously absent) the question has never been whether or not his stories didn't try to draw on the vernacular story telling of Ireland and Scotland. That much was always, as you have it, obvious.
 

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O Captain, My Captain Obvious! The people who inhabited parts of what is now Scotland and what is now Ireland were once the one people, sharing language and culture, legends and music, as is bleedin' obvious even today.
People in this country seem to have no idea how hard a power elite in London works to keep London at the centre of the UK and the unrivalled capital city. Divide and rule was applied as much in these islands as it was across the empire, and keeping secondary cities apart was key to London's power, which is why to this day you still cannot take a direct train from Liverpool or Manchester to Glasgow or Edinburgh, helping keep those cities firmly in place posing no threat to the capital.
After Independence here, the London elite grew increasingly terrified of a strong Ireland-Scotland nexus developing, and set about ensuring it could not happen. What followed was The Troubles, but the people could not be fooled forever. The nexus IS developing, the people ARE waking up, Scotland and Ireland ARE rediscovering our ancient shared history, we are ONE NATION, we WILL have our INDEPENDENCE.
 

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Interesting piece of research involving Irish and English Universities trying to settle a 250 year old dispute of the origin of these poems. It seems that the characters and their relationships strongly resemble those of Irish mythology.

Science sheds light on 250-year-old literary controversy
Gaelic Scotland was established by the invasion of the Dal Riada. Of course Scottish Gaelic literature is virtually the same as Irish literature. Besides that, the Celts right across Europe had the same religion and mythology.
 

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People in this country seem to have no idea how hard a power elite in London works to keep London at the centre of the UK and the unrivalled capital city. Divide and rule was applied as much in these islands as it was across the empire, and keeping secondary cities apart was key to London's power, which is why to this day you still cannot take a direct train from Liverpool or Manchester to Glasgow or Edinburgh, helping keep those cities firmly in place posing no threat to the capital.
After Independence here, the London elite grew increasingly terrified of a strong Ireland-Scotland nexus developing, and set about ensuring it could not happen. What followed was The Troubles, but the people could not be fooled forever. The nexus IS developing, the people ARE waking up, Scotland and Ireland ARE rediscovering our ancient shared history, we are ONE NATION, we WILL have our INDEPENDENCE.
This is the most important geopolitical dynamic in our region today.
 

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Those Scots who are historically and racially linked to the Irish, are those predominantly in the highlands and islands. The lowland Scots are generally the ones who Ex Celt regards as "proud empire builders" etc.

Alas for such ageing Colonel McBlimps, the people of Scotland, from all traditions, seem intent on breaking the connection with London and establishing their own sovereign and independent country.

Ar tig an latha! as Gerry McAdams might say.
...except for the majority who do not. Bit like up north innit?
 

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People in this country seem to have no idea how hard a power elite in London works to keep London at the centre of the UK and the unrivalled capital city. Divide and rule was applied as much in these islands as it was across the empire, and keeping secondary cities apart was key to London's power, which is why to this day you still cannot take a direct train from Liverpool or Manchester to Glasgow or Edinburgh, helping keep those cities firmly in place posing no threat to the capital.
After Independence here, the London elite grew increasingly terrified of a strong Ireland-Scotland nexus developing, and set about ensuring it could not happen. What followed was The Troubles, but the people could not be fooled forever. The nexus IS developing, the people ARE waking up, Scotland and Ireland ARE rediscovering our ancient shared history, we are ONE NATION, we WILL have our INDEPENDENCE.
Not quite

https://www.tpexpress.co.uk/mediafile/100425793/scottishtt_15may-10dec2016_v2.pdf

As far as I can see Transpennine have at least 15 direct trains a day between Manchester and one or other Scottish city. I think Virgin do Man - Gla as well.
 

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People in this country seem to have no idea how hard a power elite in London works to keep London at the centre of the UK and the unrivalled capital city. Divide and rule was applied as much in these islands as it was across the empire, and keeping secondary cities apart was key to London's power, which is why to this day you still cannot take a direct train from Liverpool or Manchester to Glasgow or Edinburgh, helping keep those cities firmly in place posing no threat to the capital.
After Independence here, the London elite grew increasingly terrified of a strong Ireland-Scotland nexus developing, and set about ensuring it could not happen. What followed was The Troubles, but the people could not be fooled forever. The nexus IS developing, the people ARE waking up, Scotland and Ireland ARE rediscovering our ancient shared history, we are ONE NATION, we WILL have our INDEPENDENCE.
A liar and a bad one at that.
 


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