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SDCC admits no proper criteria for social housing


autiemom

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Is it really fair that sdcc dont have to have a properly regulated criteria for social housing? I know Ivana Bacik brought this up in the senate last year, but somehow they seem to be able continue to "cherry pick" allocations.

I have a real bee in my bonnet about this, as a mother of two Autistic chidren who has been on the list for 6 years, with no forseeable end in sight. They have been collating their 2010 list since last November???????????

The medical criteria is a joke also. An un-named General practitioner (not a specialist!) comes in once a month, looks at any medical information submitted, then without asking you to attend for an examination, or referral to specialist in required medical field, he/she informs the allocation board, that the application is accepted or denied. So far i have been turned down 4 times,With NO explaination, now i dont know how disabled you have to be but im guessing something is rotten in this particular council.

I have no recourse left as they do not accept
a) social workers reccomendations
b) Input, letters ect from T.D.s Because of the Work to rule!!!

Jesus the excuses go on and on, in a country that is heaving with empty properties these clowns are up to something sinister in my opinion. I know i am not alone in this mire, so im hoping someone might have experience of this with sdcc or any other council.

I am a Divorced woman who is a full time carer for my children and i wish i did not have to depend on the social housing scheme, but going out to work is impossible unfortunately for me in my situation.
 


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autiemon

I have every sympathy for you.

And in these days of empty houses and unsellable affordable housing, there has to be something for you.

Which local authority are you?
 

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Just realised from re reading your post you are south dublin county council.

Would be interesting to know the circumstances of those who have been getting housing in SDCC and how long they have been on the list.

Would an FOI be necessary to get this info I wonder.
 

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Just realised from re reading your post you are south dublin county council.

Would be interesting to know the circumstances of those who have been getting housing in SDCC and how long they have been on the list.

Would an FOI be necessary to get this info I wonder.
Hi, thanks for the support, you know im going to apply to see if it is possible, although they are very cloak and dagger about everything, so i doubt it. They seem to be a law unto themselves, really frustrating when you feel you have reached the end of the line, grrrrrr.
 

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Is it really fair that sdcc dont have to have a properly regulated criteria for social housing? I know Ivana Bacik brought this up in the senate last year, but somehow they seem to be able continue to "cherry pick" allocations.

I have a real bee in my bonnet about this, as a mother of two Autistic chidren who has been on the list for 6 years, with no forseeable end in sight. They have been collating their 2010 list since last November???????????

The medical criteria is a joke also. An un-named General practitioner (not a specialist!) comes in once a month, looks at any medical information submitted, then without asking you to attend for an examination, or referral to specialist in required medical field, he/she informs the allocation board, that the application is accepted or denied. So far i have been turned down 4 times,With NO explaination, now i dont know how disabled you have to be but im guessing something is rotten in this particular council.

I have no recourse left as they do not accept
a) social workers reccomendations
b) Input, letters ect from T.D.s Because of the Work to rule!!!

Jesus the excuses go on and on, in a country that is heaving with empty properties these clowns are up to something sinister in my opinion. I know i am not alone in this mire, so im hoping someone might have experience of this with sdcc or any other council.

I am a Divorced woman who is a full time carer for my children and i wish i did not have to depend on the social housing scheme, but going out to work is impossible unfortunately for me in my situation.

These are the real heroes of the recession , they're expected to suffer on in silence while FF's friends in the banks are mollycuddled and assured nothing will happen to them that would cause them to fret.
 

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I am a Divorced woman who is a full time carer for my children and i wish i did not have to depend on the social housing scheme, but going out to work is impossible unfortunately for me in my situation.
Young "single" mothers get first preference
 

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So where are you housed now ? and who pay for it ?
i presume you mean who pays for it. private rented accomodation, i receive a subsidy and pay the rest myself. when you consider the amount of subsidies/allowances paid to people nationwide it begs the question again why not house us in the empty properties????? who knows even give us a chance to buy them eventually???? not everyone on the social housing list is a parasite.
 
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i presume you mean who pays for it. private rented accomodation, i receive a subsidy and pay the rest myself. when you consider the amount of subsidies/allowances paid to people nationwide it begs the question again why not house us in the empty properties????? who knows even give us a chance to buy them eventually???? not everyone on the social housing list is a parasite.
So the state should give you a free house is basically your arguement. What will it get in return ?
 

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Is it really fair that sdcc dont have to have a properly regulated criteria for social housing? I know Ivana Bacik brought this up in the senate last year, but somehow they seem to be able continue to "cherry pick" allocations.

I have a real bee in my bonnet about this, as a mother of two Autistic chidren who has been on the list for 6 years, with no forseeable end in sight. They have been collating their 2010 list since last November???????????

The medical criteria is a joke also. An un-named General practitioner (not a specialist!) comes in once a month, looks at any medical information submitted, then without asking you to attend for an examination, or referral to specialist in required medical field, he/she informs the allocation board, that the application is accepted or denied. So far i have been turned down 4 times,With NO explaination, now i dont know how disabled you have to be but im guessing something is rotten in this particular council.

I have no recourse left as they do not accept
a) social workers reccomendations
b) Input, letters ect from T.D.s Because of the Work to rule!!!

Jesus the excuses go on and on, in a country that is heaving with empty properties these clowns are up to something sinister in my opinion. I know i am not alone in this mire, so im hoping someone might have experience of this with sdcc or any other council.

I am a Divorced woman who is a full time carer for my children and i wish i did not have to depend on the social housing scheme, but going out to work is impossible unfortunately for me in my situation.
There is a Roma family across the road from me that moved in recently, as far as I can see there is Grandad, Grandmum, 2 adults & 2 little kids in a 5 room house + bathroom. They have 2 cars.

I don't know if any of them have a job here - what do you think?

So my advice is - have a bigger family

- & wear a long skirt!:D
 

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Is it really fair that sdcc dont have to have a properly regulated criteria for social housing? I know Ivana Bacik brought this up in the senate last year, but somehow they seem to be able continue to "cherry pick" allocations.

I have a real bee in my bonnet about this, as a mother of two Autistic chidren who has been on the list for 6 years, with no forseeable end in sight. They have been collating their 2010 list since last November???????????

The medical criteria is a joke also. An un-named General practitioner (not a specialist!) comes in once a month, looks at any medical information submitted, then without asking you to attend for an examination, or referral to specialist in required medical field, he/she informs the allocation board, that the application is accepted or denied. So far i have been turned down 4 times,With NO explaination, now i dont know how disabled you have to be but im guessing something is rotten in this particular council.

I have no recourse left as they do not accept
a) social workers reccomendations
b) Input, letters ect from T.D.s Because of the Work to rule!!!

Jesus the excuses go on and on, in a country that is heaving with empty properties these clowns are up to something sinister in my opinion. I know i am not alone in this mire, so im hoping someone might have experience of this with sdcc or any other council.

I am a Divorced woman who is a full time carer for my children and i wish i did not have to depend on the social housing scheme, but going out to work is impossible unfortunately for me in my situation.
Do you have a link to this admission? It would make discussion a bit easier.

The problem with this issue is that we're talking about a limited amount of social housing stock which was not added to during the years of the Celtic tiger in proportion to the growth in demand and some of the stock was sold off to tenants without being replaced. So there is a shortfall in the amount of social housing available.

Social housing is allocated based on a points system, number of kids etc but that system can be set aside when there is medical need for someone. The problem not really the lack of clear criteria as you're suggesting but the fact that there is flexibility in the system. Mannix Flynn has been make hay with this on DCC but he has also been unable to make his allegations that the "system is corrupt" stand up. Your preference (from what you've posted here) it would appear is not the criteria be "clear" but that they be "hard" with no flexibility for individual circumstances

There is no way that members of the public are going to know why X got a house ahead of Y unless we decide to make public people's medical records and I don't think that is fair.
 
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So the state should give you a free house is basically your arguement. What will it get in return ?
a single mother with 2 autistic children that has been on the housing list for 6 years will get a proper home to call their own which i doubt would be givin for free. Government is meant to look after and protect its citizens, not make decisions based on whats in it for us.
 
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a single mother with 2 autistic children that has been on the housing list for 6 years will get a proper home to call their own which i doubt would be givin for free. Government is meant to look after and protect its citizens, not make decisions based on whats in it for us.
Taxpayers have a right to question the use of their tax do they not ?
 

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a single mother with 2 autistic children that has been on the housing list for 6 years will get a proper home to call their own which i doubt would be givin for free. Government is meant to look after and protect its citizens, not make decisions based on whats in it for us.
Any chance you might be able to "English" that up for the rest of us?
 

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So the state should give you a free house is basically your arguement. What will it get in return ?
where did it state i want a free house???????
social housing is not free for a start, and as for what you get in return, i presume you mean what do i contribute to society?
well i contributed plenty when i was in employment before i had my children, i had been working almost 20 years before i had my first child.
You may not consider being a full time carer a contribution to society but i do.
I did not 'decide' to do this, i had every intention of returning to work however my situation changed. As they do in life.:evil:
 

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Do you have a link to this admission? It would make discussion a bit easier.

The problem with this issue is that we're talking about a limited amount of social housing stock which was not added to during the years of the Celtic tiger in proportion to the growth in demand and some of the stock was sold off to tenants without being replaced. So there is a shortfall in the amount of social housing available.

Social housing is allocated based on a points system, number of kids etc but that system can be set aside when there is medical need for someone. The problem not really the lack of clear criteria as you're suggesting but the fact that there is flexibility in the system. Mannix Flynn has been make hay with this on DCC but he has also been unable to make his allegations that the "system is corrupt" stand up. Your preference (from what you've posted here) it would appear is not the criteria be "clear" but that they be "hard" with no flexibility for individual circumstances

There is no way that members of the public are going to know why X got a house ahead of Y unless we decide to make public people's medical records and I don't think that is fair.
The point of this thread is that no criteria exsists.Theoretical criteria perhaps but no documented evidence of such.
On speaking to sdcc over the past 6 years they have openly admitted it, ok, you only have my word, but if you dont believe me, ring them and ask them yourself, look at Ivania Bacik website and you will see she has also questioned this.
You also seem to be explaining the points/medical system to me, em...... i believe i understand this perfectly well.
My point is that the sdcc G.P. does not accept that two children with Recognised/Assessed Autism Qualify as a medical priority.
There are no guidelines set out as to which disability qualifies and which does not.
There is no referral system in place,i.e if a G.P. cannot diagnose Autism therefore how can he make a judgement on the needs of individuals with Autism???????
Im not playing the race card ect, i want transparency and i believe if you apply to an organisation on medical grounds(and appeal several times) the least you deserve is their reasoning behind it.
Or perhaps you feel they dont need to explain themselves?
 

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What contribution is the children's father making?
Whatever became of the original family home?
Too little info here.
Trust me i qualify, i have been rigorously assessed, i dont feel the need to give any more personal info than i have. this is not just about ME, this is a system failure, i am highlighting it with my situation as an example, how many other people are in this situation and dont know how to vent their spleen???
 

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Do you have a link to this admission? It would make discussion a bit easier.

The problem with this issue is that we're talking about a limited amount of social housing stock which was not added to during the years of the Celtic tiger in proportion to the growth in demand and some of the stock was sold off to tenants without being replaced. So there is a shortfall in the amount of social housing available.

Social housing is allocated based on a points system, number of kids etc but that system can be set aside when there is medical need for someone. The problem not really the lack of clear criteria as you're suggesting but the fact that there is flexibility in the system. Mannix Flynn has been make hay with this on DCC but he has also been unable to make his allegations that the "system is corrupt" stand up. Your preference (from what you've posted here) it would appear is not the criteria be "clear" but that they be "hard" with no flexibility for individual circumstances

There is no way that members of the public are going to know why X got a house ahead of Y unless we decide to make public people's medical records and I don't think that is fair.
Ivana Bacik speaking in the senate on this matter this is a direct Quote : Section 22 again represents a missed opportunity. The section, which is important and welcome, refers to the allocation schemes of housing authorities in the context of meeting housing needs and requires those authorities to make such schemes and determine criteria and priority for persons applying for housing or the allocation of dwellings. My difficulty is that the section still leaves housing authorities with undue discretion regarding the criteria to be adopted. Anyone with experience of campaigning and knocking on people’s doors will be aware that the criteria applied by local authorities in determining housing need and in allocating housing are a real concern for many individuals. In circumstances where inconsistencies exist and where different criteria are used, there are real concerns with regard to selectivity and unfairness. End Quote.
 

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The point of this thread is that no criteria exsists.Theoretical criteria perhaps but no documented evidence of such.
On speaking to sdcc over the past 6 years they have openly admitted it, ok, you only have my word, but if you dont believe me, ring them and ask them yourself, look at Ivania Bacik website and you will see she has also questioned this.
You also seem to be explaining the points/medical system to me, em...... i believe i understand this perfectly well.
My point is that the sdcc G.P. does not accept that two children with Recognised/Assessed Autism Qualify as a medical priority.
There are no guidelines set out as to which disability qualifies and which does not.
There is no referral system in place,i.e if a G.P. cannot diagnose Autism therefore how can he make a judgement on the needs of individuals with Autism???????
Im not playing the race card ect, i want transparency and i believe if you apply to an organisation on medical grounds(and appeal several times) the least you deserve is their reasoning behind it.
Or perhaps you feel they dont need to explain themselves?
But you opened the thread with "SDCC admits no proper criteria for social housing" which suggest there has been some statement which admitted something. But that doesn't appear to be the case.

I'm confused as to how exactly autism would necessarily be a factor in providing someone with social housing as opposed to support someone in private housing. How would a social house suit you given your circumstances better than private rented house? What difference does the house being social or private make? It is simply the reassurance of the long term nature of the letting?

I've no problem with having a transparent process but I also think that individuals are entitled to their privacy.
 

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