SDLP should get on Fianna Fail train before it's too late



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Absolutely not. They would only do that if they want to hammer the gunman mail in their coffin. They should tell FF Where to go, like they told Enda that time he wanted them to pull the plug on the executive.
 

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Absolutely not. They would only do that if they want to hammer the gunman mail in their coffin. They should tell FF Where to go, like they told Enda that time he wanted them to pull the plug on the executive.
They have to do something. If not a merger with FF ????? They still have a few good people in their ranks but the party is making no impact. A golden opportunity is opening up for another party to come in and mop them up.
 

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Absolutely not. They would only do that if they want to hammer the gunman mail in their coffin. They should tell FF Where to go, like they told Enda that time he wanted them to pull the plug on the executive.
It's isn't da's SDLP though. It sounds more like FF these days.
 

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If the SDLP merge, or form a political alliance with FF, it will kill them off for good with the Nationalist electorate in the North. The Nationalist community in the 6 counties despise FF, FG and much of the political and media Establishment there. Any axis between FF and SDLP will not be to the benefit of the Nationalists but merely be used as another tool for FF to take votes away from Sinn Fein.
FF certainly won't have the interests of the SDLP at heart. FF, whether you like them or not, are electoral whores who will take their drawers down for anyone so long as they and they alone benefit. FF, and Micheal Martin in particular, are also rabid partitionists who have a bloody cheek to call themselves 'The Republican party'.
So the SDLP should be warned, if they do go on this roller-coaster to oblivion FF will just pick at their dead carcass and then walk away.
 

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What's its angle for the future compared to what it's been doing, though?
They have a new younger leadership in place who are very able. They need to rejuvenate the party. Joining with FF will utterly destroy any possibility of that, combined with the fact that the FF leadership demonstrably know nothing about how northern nationalists think.
 

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They have to do something. If not a merger with FF ????? They still have a few good people in their ranks but the party is making no impact. A golden opportunity is opening up for another party to come in and mop them up.
That may happen. It's refusing to budge on things like abortion and how that sells to younger CNR voters is questionable. Maybe a press on integrated education with school choice (what it seems to pitch now) and more privatisation whilst preserving a social net?
 

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They have a new younger leadership in place who are very able. They need to rejuvenate the party. Joining with FF will utterly destroy any possibility of that, combined with the fact that the FF leadership demonstrably know nothing about how northern nationalists think.
Fair concerns and points, although FF has its own young progenies (not understanding or considering NI's particularities and needs sufficiently is a very valid concern). What's the younger take within it in your experience for directing it forward?
 

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It would be folly in the extreme for them to merge with FF. What they need is a return to the socialist roots that existed during the time of Fitt and Devlin, starting with a recruitment campaign in urban areas. They need to be brave on issues like women's right to choice and, in the long run, show up SF's radical claims to be the falsehood that they are.
FF would give them little more than the kiss of death.
 

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Fair concerns and points, although FF has its own young progenies (not understanding or considering NI's particularities and needs sufficiently is a very valid concern). What's the younger take within it in your experience for directing it forward?
They could start by being more proactive rather than by responding. Also being the nationalist "anti Sinn Fein" isn't necessarily a great thing.
 

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It would be folly in the extreme for them to merge with FF. What they need is a return to the socialist roots that existed during the time of Fitt and Devlin, starting with a recruitment campaign in urban areas. They need to be brave on issues like women's right to choice and, in the long run, show up SF's radical claims to be the falsehood that they are.
FF would give them little more than the kiss of death.
It's still not differentiating much with SF on the bolded though, and they've a strong grip on that segment by now. I agree on being more socially liberal...the young aren't churchy like past generations.

Seems to me the red meat for votes is targeting a socially cosmopolitan audience with a focus on private sector growth without gutting core social safety nets and services and, if anything, using that apparatus to train people for those careers.

That's even smart for nationalist politics. If a UI is to happen, people need successful and portable business ownership and jobs, not jobs depending on the British government. People more often vote their pocketbooks. A lively private sector with business ownership in the trades and services (Murphy Construction, Ltd, Devlin Plumbing and Heating Co) along with white collar business is portable and expandable across boundaries with potentials for growth into wealth and so forth. That's something that can also cut into SF's working class base in urban areas and elsewhere: "Hey, here's how we can get you prepared and into business for yourself with a decent chance for a success story."
 
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They could start by being more proactive rather than by responding. Also being the nationalist "anti Sinn Fein" isn't necessarily a great thing.
Agreed. It's unwise to just be against something...it rarely works. You have to stand for something and tell voters what you wish to do and market it properly.
 

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If the SDLP want to revive their electoral fortunes they should enter into an electoral pact with SF. As they clearly don't want to do that, they may as well become FF's Nordie branch.
 

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If the SDLP want to revive their electoral fortunes they should enter into an electoral pact with SF. As they clearly don't want to do that, they may as well become FF's Nordie branch.
That will finish them. That isn't a good thing either, no matter what your political leanings are. If you are a SF voter there needs to be another viable nationalist voter party to keep them on their toes and keep them honest in the eyes of the electorate. If you aren't a SF voter, you want an alternative that has a bit of clout. You also don't want to be railroaded into voting SF because the alternative are southern carpetbaggers who have decided to rock up now that the heavy lifting has been done.
 

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If the SDLP want to revive their electoral fortunes they should enter into an electoral pact with SF. As they clearly don't want to do that, they may as well become FF's Nordie branch.
What's to be gained from that? It doesn't have SF's IRA baggage for starters and can market itself away from Big Daddy governance without being a Social Darwinist Robber Baron.

There's plenty of votes to be had from cosmopolitan thinking voters (where the young are more apt to be) on social issues that simply want a life they can build upon. That's even true for nationalism. Not only SF's IRA baggage but also its Big Government activities inhibits nationalism because it makes too many voters dependent on the British government for their jobs and entitlements. It can even pick up small 'u' voters and neutrals on that and, if successful, better promote social cohesion in NI and someday maybe a way to a UI if feasible because the social and economic factors make it a fit.
 

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What's to be gained from that? It doesn't have SF's IRA baggage for starters and can market itself away from Big Daddy governance without being a Social Darwinist Robber Baron.

There's plenty of votes to be had from cosmopolitan thinking voters (where the young are more apt to be) on social issues that simply want a life they can build upon. That's even true for nationalism. Not only SF's IRA baggage but also its Big Government activities inhibits nationalism because it makes too many voters dependent on the British government for their jobs and entitlements. It can even pick up small 'u' voters and neutrals on that and, if successful, better promote social cohesion in NI and someday maybe a way to a UI if feasible because the social and economic factors make it a fit.
That's wrong for a start.
 


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