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Seamus Heaney: "There's never going to be a united Ireland".

darkknight

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Ireland won't be united so let loyalists fly flag – Seamus Heaney - National News - Independent.ie

The Derry-born poet – who once famously protested at being included in the 'Penguin Book of Contemporary British Poetry' because his "passport's green" – said there was "never going to be a united Ireland" so "why don't you let them (loyalists) fly the flag?" ...
It seems like a bit of a throwaway observation on Heaney's part.

It's a pity the reporter didn't follow up with a question regarding why he thought that. I think it could make for an interesting discussion!
 


Just Jack

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Seamus Heaney is an arsehole.
 

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He's entitled to his opinion, and it's just that an opinion.
 

Dame_Enda

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The issue is not whether Loyalists can fly it but whether Belfast City Council should and how much. He is probably correct on a UI though. If the UK leaves the EU it will certainly deepen partition, and our economic crisis hardly recommends itself to a yes vote at present. It will take some time for us to recover. When that happens the chances of a yes vote will increase.
 
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The opinions of an elderly academic noted for rather bucolic poetry, who spends his time between Dublin and the USA, and hasn't lived in NI for probably more than 50 years, are of media interest obviously, but are otherwise of no more value than any other citizen's. Undoubtedly this will annoy a few nationalists here and there, but he's as entitled to his opinion as anyone else. However as he doesn't live in Belfast, he doesn't have a vote to cast, which could make a difference to the flag issue in the next council election so who cares?
 

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It's the "never" that I find curious.

Since the remark is made in the context of a discussion about the flag controversy, he seems to be implying that die-hard Unionists (and their descendents) will never come to terms with the notion of a single Irish nation, in spite of demographics, referendums, etc., and that, therefore, there can never be a united Ireland.

I disagree. But I think any change will be the result of a very long process, and will have to be managed very carefully.
 

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Imo he is right about a UI but wrong about the fleg designated days is fine...
 

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It's the "never" that I find curious.

Since the remark is made in the context of a discussion about the flag controversy, he seems to be implying that die-hard Unionists (and their descendents) will never come to terms with the notion of a single Irish nation, in spite of demographics, referendums, etc., and that, therefore, there can never be a united Ireland.

I disagree. But I think any change will be the result of a very long process, and will have to be managed very carefully.
no he knows that not all CNINR want a UI and as things become more normal and stable even less will, that is why he knows there will never be a UI...
 

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Both he and the Devlin family he married into have all done the Partitionist quickstep and got out of what obviously seemed an uncongenial atmosphere; Polly even going so far as to marry into the English aristocracy. That's what partition is for; exiting the sector where you don't feel comfortable.
 

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The opinions of an elderly academic noted for rather bucolic poetry, who spends his time between Dublin and the USA, and hasn't lived in NI for probably more than 50 years, are of media interest obviously, but are otherwise of no more value than any other citizen's. Undoubtedly this will annoy a few nationalists here and there, but he's as entitled to his opinion as anyone else. However as he doesn't live in Belfast, he doesn't have a vote to cast, which could make a difference to the flag issue in the next council election so who cares?
Fickle Johnny rides again.

Before his (correct) assessment of the constituational issue, you regarded him as a major contributor to Irish culture.

Now you see him as an out of touch c*nt? Lol.
 

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Better keep an eye on the statue built for him in Bellaghy, the locals wont like that one bit hahaha :)

He will now be remembered as a Castledawson man, rather than a bellaghy one ! :)
 
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Fickle Johnny rides again.

Before his (correct) assessment of the constituational issue, you regarded him as a major contributor to Irish culture.

Now you see him as an out of touch c*nt? Lol.
Now now Bilko, Johnny has you on 'ignore' haha. :)
 
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Johnny Boy

Now now Bilko, Johnny has you on 'ignore' haha. :)
Not much hope of ignoring bigots with clowns like you about.:p
What are you on about Bilko? You're stark raving mad! Heaney is out of touch, certainly, but I said the man is as entitled to his opinion as anyone else - how does that translate into describing him as a c*nt? I reserve words like that exclusively for people such as yourself - to use it for Heaney would be to devalue its meaning and intensity. I think his opinion is of interest to the media but of little value. Do you seriously think that his opinion will alter the opinions of Belfast nationalists or the councillors that they elect? Get a grip.
 

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"They (the loyalists) have an entitlement factor running: the flag is part of it. There's never going to be a united Ireland. So why don't you let them fly the flag?"

Mr H seems to have fallen for the old Loyalist threats.:) Thing is, Loyalists never carry out these threats, the predicted bloodbath never, never, never, ever, ever, ever, comes to pass. A bunch of drama Queens is what the are and what they always will be. Just look at the Loyalist Paras, a bunch of useless eejits you will never come across anywhere in the world. History tells us that this is the case. :):):)
 
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"They (the loyalists) have an entitlement factor running: the flag is part of it. There's never going to be a united Ireland. So why don't you let them fly the flag?"

Mr H seems to have fallen for the old Loyalist threats.:) Thing is, Loyalist never carry out these threats, the predicted bloodbath never, never, never, ever, ever, ever, comes to pass. A bunch of drama Queens is what the are and what they always will be. Just look at the Loyalist Paras, a bunch of useless eejits you will never come across anywhere in the world. history tells us that this is the case. :):):)
Nevermind 'Rory Mcilroys' , its now 'seamus heaneys' also :)
 

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Nevermind 'Rory Mcilroys' , its now 'seamus heaneys' also :)
Ye see? WTF does this chit mean?petunia

Uselless. They done fek all in the 1912 period, fek all in '74, fek all the 80s, fek all, fek all, fek all. A bunch of useless skangers, look at the fek'n state of the fleg protests? Laughing stock. What are they going to do kill a taig?petunia Without Britain's help they are fkn shockingly useless.
 

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Does it really matter he isn't that important, he can say what he wants he sounded a tad foolish saying never, no one knows what can happen no such thing as certainty
 

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InsideImDancing

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Better keep an eye on the statue built for him in Bellaghy, the locals wont like that one bit hahaha :)

He will now be remembered as a Castledawson man, rather than a bellaghy one ! :)
He will be remembered as one of the greatest to ever come out of Derry, no doubt about that.
 


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