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Sean South: Why do people commemorate this lunatic?


Monkey-Magic

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This is not a criticism of the IRA's border campaign of 1956-62 but rather a personnal attack on Sean South. The IRA did have progressive individuals within their organisation at this time but South was certainly not one of them.

Sean South was a backward catholic reactionary. He was a member of the extremist Maria Duce orgainisation which campaigned for Ireland to become a catholic theocracy. Even the catholic church of the time was embarassed by their fundamentalism. He also campaigned for heavier censorship so that the youth would not be exposed to external opinions. In the early 50s he took part in many pogroms against trade unionists and communists as he believed them to be godless.

Sean South symbolises everything that was wrong with Ireland in the 1950s. All progressive republicans should come out and condemn him as a backwards idiot rather than sing songs about him.
 

Mitsui

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It's a good tune though. Even if it is just Roddy McCorley re-worded.
You beat me to it - I was just about to say that he's commemorated because someone wrote a pretty good song about him. But he was certainly a crackpot, as were so many people connected with Maria Duce. That was one dangerously crazy organisation.
 

jdaly

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This is not a criticism of the IRA's border campaign of 1956-62 but rather a personnal attack on Sean South. The IRA did have progressive individuals within their organisation at this time but South was certainly not one of them.

Sean South was a backward catholic reactionary. He was a member of the extremist Maria Duce orgainisation which campaigned for Ireland to become a catholic theocracy. Even the catholic church of the time was embarassed by their fundamentalism. He also campaigned for heavier censorship so that the youth would not be exposed to external opinions. In the early 50s he took part in many pogroms against trade unionists and communists as he believed them to be godless.

Sean South symbolises everything that was wrong with Ireland in the 1950s. All progressive republicans should come out and condemn him as a backwards idiot rather than sing songs about him.
"in the early 50s he took part in many pogroms against trade unionists and communists as he believed them to be godless. "

Give us a few examples of these pograms, please. I ask simply out of interest.
 

Eorna

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So we are to presume that Monkey Magic, a D4 type Socialist is now an authority on who is, or is not an Irish patriot. Listen gosser, when you have done half of the revolutionary activity that Sean South did, then maybe people will take your musings seriously. You should have joined your buddies in Café en seine instead of posting here.
 

mothball

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Seán Sabhat also died in 1957. You'd find quite a few Catholics running around back then. Not exactly a shock.
Compare him to his friend Seán Garland and I'd still prefer Seán Sabhat.
 

Mc Spud

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Sure look at Padraig Pearse, another madman. He was undoubtedly a great and very important/influencial Irishman but he was a nutter. He believed that a blood sacrafice would re-ignite Ireland's nationalist spirit. Even Robert Emmett was a bit of a rogue
 

jmcc

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Every society or organisation needs its myths. Politics is not unlike religion in that respect - great deeds, noble sacrifices, great heros regardless of the historical reality.

Regards...jmcc
 

turdsl

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Sure we have the same today, look at America, electing Bush,all the people he killed and brought the country to its lowest in disgrace.
 

TradCat

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Of course a better song arose out of the same debacle and that was The Patriot Game. It's not one you hear as often because of the ambiguity in it.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n20yw30UtA0"]YouTube - The Patriot Game[/ame]
 
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merle haggard

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Of course a better song arose out of the same debacle and that was The Patriot Game. It's not one you hear as often because of the ambiguity in it.
I dont think there was anything ambiguous about it all . It states quite clearly people like de valera and other traitors who bargained and sold were largely responsible for Irelands ills and partition and expresses a real regret its a pity it wasnt them riddled with holes and not south and OHanlon . It also states very clearly the RUC are just lackeys of war people should have no problem shooting down . Thats why you dont hear it very often .
 

merle haggard

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. In the early 50s he took part in many pogroms against trade unionists and communists as he believed them to be godless.
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when did this happen ? tell us about these pogroms ? Could it possibly be the reason why the irish left is historically so sh*t as regards its failure to confront imperialism and colonialism in Ireland is a result of sean south killing them all in these alleged pogroms ?
 

Kev408

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We could have done with a Gin-riddled Churchill sending hundreds of thousands of innocent men to their deaths. Ah well, Sean South it is..
 

realistic1

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Well when you had many TDs at the time playing the 'green card' in regard to the occupation of the six counties, how can we condemn someone like Sean South acting out what politicians of the time were roaring on about.
 

Fr. Fahey

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Someone with a hammer and sickle flag icon talking about non existent pogroms! Same time Sean South was fighting to rid this country of the occupation, the hammer and sickle was flying over millions of starving prisoners in the Gulag. South was right about this country and right about communism.
 

Kev408

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Someone with a hammer and sickle flag icon talking about non existent pogroms! Same time Sean South was fighting to rid this country of the occupation, the hammer and sickle was flying over millions of starving prisoners in the Gulag. South was right about this country and right about communism.
I seriously doubt he knew about the gulags.
 
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