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Seanad Electoral Reform Bill 2013 to be Voted on this Thursday


darach

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At 5:00pm on Thursday, Senator John Crown will propose to the Seanad during Private Members time, the Seanad Electoral Reform Bill which seeks to reform the Seanad within the confines of the Constitution.

Among the provisions proposed in the Bill are:

-A vote for all Irish citizens over the age of 18 at home and abroad.
-Elections for the Seanad taking place on the same day as the General Election
-Reforming the nominations system to allow any citizen be nominated for election
-Extending the University Panel to graduates of all Universities and IT's

If it were implemented, this would constitute one of the most radical and dramatic reforms within our political system.

What do people think?
 


RobertW

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Abolish it. . .we don't need two talking shops (with lucrative wage and allowances)
 

darach

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Abolish it. . .we don't need two talking shops (with lucrative wage and allowances)
But is it worth abolishing the Seanad to leave behind a further unchecked Dáil and Government? This is in consideration of the fact that town councils are also set to be abolished. Are we to leave the Government without any real oversight?
 

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Still an attempt to restrict the electorate to a self regarded elite. It needs to go.
 

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But is it worth abolishing the Seanad to leave behind a further unchecked Dáil and Government?
The Dáil is answerable to the people, we don't need any select subset to second guess their decision.
 

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But is it worth abolishing the Seanad to leave behind a further unchecked Dáil and Government? This is in consideration of the fact that town councils are also set to be abolished. Are we to leave the Government without any real oversight?
Denmark & Denmark seem to manage?
 

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Darach,

The Seanad does NOT hold the executive or the Dail to account. It can delay certain bits of legislation for a couple of weeks, only if the Government does not have a majority. In fact the last time the Government did not have a majority was during Brutons Government and even then the Government never had a bill delayed.

Additionally, no Government in their right mind would give the Seanad sufficient power to make it truely of some use.

Why would a directly elected Dail allow a non directly elected Seanad undermine its power or? Additonally, why in any reform should everyone not be allowed run for the Seanad?

I realise Prof. Crown is trying to draft within the Constitution but, in reality, there is nothing legislatively that can or should be done to make the Seanad worthwhile and amending the Constitution to provide a double of the Dail is purely stupid.
 

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Still an attempt to restrict the electorate to a self regarded elite. It needs to go.
Chuckle.

Bring it on wombat. After the last two years my indifference to the Seanad has turned to a strong belief that we need the safeguard of a reformed Seanad to provide some protection from authoritarian governments.
 

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The Dáil is answerable to the people, we don't need any select subset to second guess their decision.
Oh yes we do ...
 

darach

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Still an attempt to restrict the electorate to a self regarded elite. It needs to go.
How is it an attempt to restrict the electorate when the Bill itself proposes a vote for every citizen?
 

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It is a talking shop for those (with not enough votes) on the make, and the rest (with not enough votes) on a break from politics. Time to switch off it's life support system.
 

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How is it an attempt to restrict the electorate when the Bill itself proposes a vote for every citizen?
Now I'm confused, everyone can vote but the University panel is extended to IT, do graduates get 2 votes?
 

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Now I'm confused, everyone can vote but the University panel is extended to IT, do graduates get 2 votes?
No, citizens register for a particular panel. You being a wombat, might register for the Agricultural Panel.
 

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No, citizens register for a particular panel. You being a wombat, might register for the Agricultural Panel.
You really think this is a good idea?
 

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Every functioning democracy has two Chambers of Legislature. Don't ditch the Seanad. Make it better.
Every functioning human being has two kidneys - but can function perfectly well with one.

Nothing annoys me more than this plaintive plea to "reform the Senate" Remember folks, this is the Ireland of the Cockup and whenever we try to "reform" things we fukc them up - in evidence I offer you the HSE.

So close the bloody thing down - pronto. For one thing, it'll get rid of gobsh1tes like Ronan Mullen, Lardass O'Murchú and Iwanna Backitch.

Then, if a few years down the road we decide that we genuinely have a need for a second chamber, we can design a new one from scratch - and devise an electoral system that will keep 99% of gobsh1tes out.

Rant over.
 

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