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Sectarianism in NI - a result of the segregated school system which sees 180 schools all Protestant pupils and 111 schools all Catholic.


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Sectarianism in NI - a result of the segregated school system which sees 180 schools all Protestant pupils and 111 schools all Catholic.

Is the reason for sectarianism in NI a result of the segregated school system which sees 180 schools with no Catholic pupils and 111 schools with no Protestant pupils?

• 493 schools in the 2011/12 year educated almost exclusively pupils of just one religion (95% or more) – compared to 827 schools in 1997/98.

• 91% of Protestant primary children attended controlled (mainly Protestant) schools and 88% of Catholic primary pupils were enrolled in Catholic maintained primaries in the last academic year.

• At the same time, 88% of Catholic post-primary pupils attended Catholic maintained or Catholic managed voluntary schools and 89% of Protestant post-primary children attended controlled schools.

• Integrated school pupil numbers have increased from 8,154 to 21,170 over the last 14 years with integrated schools increased from 33 to 62 over the same period.

Link to; HOW INTEGRATED ARE SCHOOLS WHERE YOU LIVE? | TheDetail.tv

Although NI First Minister Peter Robinson promised to reduce the “benign apartheid” in education, little change is in prospect and even teachers continue to be trained separately with Stranmillis University College for training staff for the state sector and St Mary’s University College preparing teachers for Catholic maintained schools.
 
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Its not helped by the fact much of the population are muppets either.
 

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Sectarianism, gerrymandering and discrimination are at the heart of why the North was set up and handed to Unionists in the first place.
Start there.
 

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Sectarianism, gerrymandering and discrimination are at the heart of why the North was set up and handed to Unionists in the first place.
Start there.
You encapsulate the problem in that those unwilling to change (on both sides) are stuck in the past. Each has their own starting point and analysis supported and re-enforced by segregated education which keeps people trapped in a mind-set blind to the other point of view.
Even when students move on to higher education the divide often continues while the political will is subjugated by the limited ambitions of over-paid and insular politicians.
 

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Is the reason for sectarianism in NI a result of the segregated school system which sees 180 schools with no Protestant pupils and 111 schools with no Catholic pupils?

• 493 schools in the 2011/12 year educated almost exclusively pupils of just one religion (95% or more) – compared to 827 schools in 1997/98.

• 91% of Protestant primary children attended controlled (mainly Protestant) schools and 88% of Catholic primary pupils were enrolled in Catholic maintained primaries in the last academic year.

• At the same time, 88% of Catholic post-primary pupils attended Catholic maintained or Catholic managed voluntary schools and 89% of Protestant post-primary children attended controlled schools.

• Integrated school pupil numbers have increased from 8,154 to 21,170 over the last 14 years with integrated schools increased from 33 to 62 over the same period.

Link to; HOW INTEGRATED ARE SCHOOLS WHERE YOU LIVE? | TheDetail.tv

Although NI First Minister Peter Robinson promised to reduce the “benign apartheid” in education, little change is in prospect and even teachers continue to be trained separately with Stranmillis University College for training staff for the state sector and St Mary’s University College preparing teachers for Catholic maintained schools.
What caused the segregated education?
 

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What caused the segregated education?
I'll go for the RCC.

When mandatory secondary state education first came on stream,more or less all schools were integrated.The RCC decided it needed to control RC education,no one else.
 

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I'll go for the RCC.

When mandatory secondary state education first came on stream,more or less all schools were integrated.The RCC decided it needed to control RC education,no one else.
Are you surprised the Catholic Church wouldn't hand over the education of Catholics to Unionists in the gerrymandered North?
The British used education to try to destroy the Irish language. Unionists would have had us all flying the union Jack and singing god save the queen every morning.
 

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Are you surprised the Catholic Church wouldn't hand over the education of Catholics to Unionists in the gerrymandered North?
The British used education to try to destroy the Irish language. Unionists would have had us all flying the union Jack and singing god save the queen every morning.
Well if youse sung GSTQ as enthusiastically as youse sing the Soldiers Song at a rugby match no-one would notice.

" why's everything gone quiet Da ? "
 

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Are you surprised the Catholic Church wouldn't hand over the education of Catholics to Unionists in the gerrymandered North?
The British used education to try to destroy the Irish language. Unionists would have had us all flying the union Jack and singing god save the queen every morning.
are you implying that this isn't everyone's standard morning absolutions...
 

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I'll go for the RCC.

When mandatory secondary state education first came on stream,more or less all schools were integrated.The RCC decided it needed to control RC education,no one else.
It was the Prods who caused the segregation in education - especially the Presbyterians. In Northern Ireland the Protestant churches have a statutory right to appoint 50% of the voting governors of all State primary and secondary schools - even schools in which some of the pupils are Catholics, even schools in which most of the pupils are Catholics, even the three State schools all of whose pupils are Catholics.
 

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There is a reason why there is Catholic schooling - because of historical unionist misrule, Catholic repression and discrimination, and that same mentality is still rife today, as seen by political unionist rhetoric, by unionist "culture", by Orangism/loyalism and by the bitter, hypocritical sectarian sh1te unionists post on here - it's the same mindset.

CNR's would be more open to integrated education and less sceptical of unionist motivations if unionists would also acknowledge and criticise the even more poisonous and divisive sectarianism that is entrenched within their own community that induces and brainwashes prejudice and anti-Catholicism.
 

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It was the Prods who caused the segregation in education - especially the Presbyterians. In Northern Ireland the Protestant churches have a statutory right to appoint 50% of the voting governors of all State primary and secondary schools - even schools in which some of the pupils are Catholics, even schools in which most of the pupils are Catholics, even the three State schools all of whose pupils are Catholics.
There is a reason why there is Catholic schooling - because of historical unionist misrule, Catholic repression and discrimination, and that same mentality is still rife today, as seen by political unionist rhetoric, by unionist "culture", by Orangism/loyalism and by the bitter, hypocritical sectarian sh1te unionists post on here - it's the same mindset.

CNR's would be more open to integrated education and less sceptical of unionist motivations if unionists would also acknowledge and criticise the even more poisonous and divisive sectarianism that is entrenched within their own community that induces and brainwashes prejudice and anti-Catholicism.
ran these through google translate....it's all themuns fault
 

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There is a reason why there is Catholic schooling - because of historical unionist misrule, Catholic repression and discrimination, and that same mentality is still rife today, as seen by political unionist rhetoric, by unionist "culture", by Orangism/loyalism and by the bitter, hypocritical sectarian sh1te unionists post on here - it's the same mindset.

CNR's would be more open to integrated education and less sceptical of unionist motivations if unionists would also acknowledge and criticise the even more poisonous and divisive sectarianism that is entrenched within their own community that induces and brainwashes prejudice and anti-Catholicism.
There is plenty of anti-Catholic sectarianism within the State-controlled sector of the education system,

Segregated education in this province and in this island existed long before Northern Ireland was established. Education in Ireland became segregated in response to anti-Catholic discrimination in education in the period 1831 to 1860 and by the UK government's failure to enforce its own laws.

Catholic schooling in Scotland, England, the USA and Australia was also the result of anti-Catholic bigotry in those countries.
 

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Well if youse sung GSTQ as enthusiastically as youse sing the Soldiers Song at a rugby match no-one would notice.

" why's everything gone quiet Da ? "
Meh, that's the rugby crowd for you. :)

Try a hurling game for a decent rendition.
 

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It was the Prods who caused the segregation in education - especially the Presbyterians. In Northern Ireland the Protestant churches have a statutory right to appoint 50% of the voting governors of all State primary and secondary schools - even schools in which some of the pupils are Catholics, even schools in which most of the pupils are Catholics, even the three State schools all of whose pupils are Catholics.
There is plenty of anti-Catholic sectarianism within the State-controlled sector of the education system,
A few links and sources with these claims please?
 

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ran these through google translate....it's all themuns fault
In this instance you bet your bottom dollar it is. Anything about Catholicism and you lot are stuck into it like rabid dogs, even though Catholic education is the best education in the 6 counties, and you not even acknowledging the reasons why Catholic schooling was needed in the first place and failing to criticise the even more poisonous sectarian division within your own community.

Now how is that the fault of Catholics/nationalists?
 

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The thread title is wrong. The link says 180 schools with NO Protestants and 111 with NO Catholics.

Generally, state schools are more integrated.
 

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