Seehofer offers resignation as German Interior Minister

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Story is still breaking so I only found a German link
Horst Seehofer tritt von allen Ämtern zurück - SPIEGEL ONLINE

There was a bit of a showdown and Seehofer threatened to introduce border controls to send back purported asylum seekers, in which case Merkel would have to fire him.

So Merkel came back from the summit with a deal of sorts to deal with it at European level. So it looks like she's faced him down as he's offered to resign as Interior Minister and head of the CDU (Bavarian populist party).

It remains to be seen whether Merkel will accept his offer.
 


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Story is still breaking so I only found a German link
Horst Seehofer tritt von allen Ämtern zurück - SPIEGEL ONLINE

There was a bit of a showdown and Seehofer threatened to introduce border controls to send back purported asylum seekers, in which case Merkel would have to fire him.

So Merkel came back from the summit with a deal of sorts to deal with it at European level. So it looks like she's faced him down as he's offered to resign as Interior Minister and head of the CDU (Bavarian populist party).

It remains to be seen whether Merkel will accept his offer.
Well accepting this as true , thats the end of her coalition , so she hasn't faced anything down....
He leads the CSU , so if he's gone its unlikely his party will stay and the coalition falls (or limps on with a . minority with the AFD loving it)

Merkels career is waning ........ love her or loather her she dominated European politics and established Germany at the political centre of the EU.Macron hopes to replace her but he's a vacuous sham and wont manage it

Hard to see anything but an EU riven with factionalism without Merkel
 

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The openborder nutters and globalists have wrecked Europe, look what they are doing to this country........thank god for the Eastern Europeans.

Truly the saviours of Western Europe, they should be so proud of themselves........
 

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Merkel also said she had struck deals with 16 other countries for them to take back already-registered asylum seekers. But central European nations including Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic and Slovakia denied any such agreement. “Germany has not addressed us and I will not sign this agreement,” Czech prime minister Andrej Babiš said in a statement. “No negotiations have taken place between the Czech Republic and Germany on this question,” he added
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/01/merkel-fights-to-save-coalition-from-division-over-migration

The whole thing is a mess!

However the remarks by the Czech PM makes one wonder of any negotiations of any kind were conducted with Taoiseach Leo Varadkar either?

The impression given out is that he was there negotiating on our behalf

- but did he even get a look in edgeways at all...….:|

Yet he says here:

Mr Varadkar said there should be a degree of "burden-sharing" in the transfer of migrants to other European countries.
He added: "The 28 members agreed a compromise framework on managing migration largely based on the principle that this is a European problem and one that we need to work together on.
"We committed to working with African countries, supporting them to build up governance, to build up security and economic opportunity, providing an extra 500 million (euro) to the European Trust Fund for Africa.
"We took the view that we needed to have a degree of ... burden-sharing on the transfer of migrants to countries and Ireland has already agreed to accept some from that as well."

https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/0629/974070-migration/


One of these gentlemen Babiš or Varadkar is clearly not telling the Truth about what went on at the EU Council Meeting

- which one do you think that may be?:confused:
 
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It's not clear that the government will fall. It may have been that Seehofer didn't have support within his own party for his stance. The two parties are usually very closely aligned so it's unusual that there's a big public spat between them like this.

I think Merkel intends this to be her last term, so you would expect her to step back in tje next year or two.
 

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Merkel also said she had struck deals with 16 other countries for them to take back already-registered asylum seekers. But central European nations including Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic and Slovakia denied any such agreement. “Germany has not addressed us and I will not sign this agreement,” Czech prime minister Andrej Babiš said in a statement. “No negotiations have taken place between the Czech Republic and Germany on this question,” he added
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/01/merkel-fights-to-save-coalition-from-division-over-migration

The whole thing is a mess!

However the remarks by the Czech PM makes one wonder of any negotiations of any kind were conducted with Taoiseach Leo Varadkar either?

The impression given out is that he was there negotiating on our behalf

- but did he even get a look in edgeways at all...….:|
Mairead McGuinness was on BBCs Newsnight defending Leo the other night

She pricelessly said that Ireland was not jus a member but "a major player" in the EU ...that level of priceless delusion permeates our political classes
 

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Merkel also said she had struck deals with 16 other countries for them to take back already-registered asylum seekers. But central European nations including Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic and Slovakia denied any such agreement. “Germany has not addressed us and I will not sign this agreement,” Czech prime minister Andrej Babiš said in a statement. “No negotiations have taken place between the Czech Republic and Germany on this question,” he added
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/01/merkel-fights-to-save-coalition-from-division-over-migration

The whole thing is a mess!

However the remarks by the Czech PM makes one wonder of any negotiations of any kind were conducted with Taoiseach Leo Varadkar either?

The impression given out is that he was there negotiating on our behalf

- but did he even get a look in edgeways at all...….:|
I don't think Ireland was in the list of 14. And it may be that there is no new deal, only that the old Dublin agreement will be enforced again, which meams Germany can send back migrants to the countries they first touched down in.
 

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The agreement on migration was a pyrrhic victory for Merkel. It's a hastily cobbled together solution designed to get her off the hook at home and placate the newly confident Italians.

Seehofer had threatened Merkel that if she didn't get a deal, he would pull the plug, so now he has to fall on his sword.

Merkel's execution is only stayed here. She's a gonner.
 

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Well accepting this as true , thats the end of her coalition , so she hasn't faced anything down....
He leads the CSU , so if he's gone its unlikely his party will stay and the coalition falls (or limps on with a . minority with the AFD loving it)

Merkels career is waning ........ love her or loather her she dominated European politics and established Germany at the political centre of the EU.Macron hopes to replace her but he's a vacuous sham and wont manage it

Hard to see anything but an EU riven with factionalism without Merkel
That's the way to have it. Fúck Merkel. Fúck federalism. In fact, fúck the EU.
 

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The agreement on migration was a pyrrhic victory for Merkel. It's a hastily cobbled together solution designed to get her off the hook at home and placate the newly confident Italians.

Seehofer had threatened Merkel that if she didn't get a deal, he would pull the plug, so now he has to fall on his sword.

Merkel's execution is only stayed here. She's a gonner.
I don't know, she's come out of this looking like a winner. Her own party supports her afaik, but it remains to be seen what the CSU do next.

Found an English link btw

https://www.dw.com/en/sources-angela-merkels-interior-minister-horst-seehofer-to-resign-in-asylum-row/a-44481333
 
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She has wrecked the EU and driven the British out....


Hopefully others will follow if the Immigration Problem is not solved very very soon....
 

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Well accepting this as true , thats the end of her coalition , so she hasn't faced anything down....
He leads the CSU , so if he's gone its unlikely his party will stay and the coalition falls (or limps on with a . minority with the AFD loving it)
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Early reports indicate that Seehofer created a situation where the CSU had to choose between his leadership or their alliance with Merkel's CDU, and they chose the CDU.
If that's the case, Merkel's probably strengthened by this.
 

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Early reports indicate that Seehofer created a situation where the CSU had to choose between his leadership or their alliance with Merkel's CDU, and they chose the CDU.
If that's the case, Merkel's probably strengthened by this.
Yea, that would make sense. He could have supported the deal but early indications were that he thought it didn't go far enough, but it seems he couldn't bring his party with him.
 

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Merkel should send the CSU packing out of office and ask the Greens to replace them. CSU will have to decide if they are conservatives or idiot mountain men from the Alps.

The CSU are the Mich Heil Heily Reich characters of German politics
 

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Hard to know precisely what's happened but the crisis is far from over. Merkel may have survived this phase, or alternatively the CSU may be walking out.
 

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Merkel also said she had struck deals with 16 other countries for them to take back already-registered asylum seekers. But central European nations including Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic and Slovakia denied any such agreement. “Germany has not addressed us and I will not sign this agreement,” Czech prime minister Andrej Babiš said in a statement. “No negotiations have taken place between the Czech Republic and Germany on this question,” he added
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/01/merkel-fights-to-save-coalition-from-division-over-migration

The whole thing is a mess!

However the remarks by the Czech PM makes one wonder of any negotiations of any kind were conducted with Taoiseach Leo Varadkar either?

The impression given out is that he was there negotiating on our behalf

- but did he even get a look in edgeways at all...….:|

Yet he says here:

Mr Varadkar said there should be a degree of "burden-sharing" in the transfer of migrants to other European countries.
He added: "The 28 members agreed a compromise framework on managing migration largely based on the principle that this is a European problem and one that we need to work together on.
"We committed to working with African countries, supporting them to build up governance, to build up security and economic opportunity, providing an extra 500 million (euro) to the European Trust Fund for Africa.
"We took the view that we needed to have a degree of ... burden-sharing on the transfer of migrants to countries and Ireland has already agreed to accept some from that as well."

https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/0629/974070-migration/


One of these gentlemen Babiš or Varadkar is clearly not telling the Truth about what went on at the EU Council Meeting

- which one do you think that may be?:confused:
Merkel also said she had struck deals with 16 other countries for them to take back already-registered asylum seekers. But central European nations including Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic and Slovakia denied any such agreement.
I can't see many countries taking back asylum seekers from Germany, but Merkel has an even bigger problem. Even if the other countries agree, it is very unlikely that the asylum seekers who are now in Germany will agree to be sent back to the countries they laboriously trekked through to get to Germany after Merkel's invitation.

What will she do then? Force them on to cattle trains headed south?
 


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