Seehofer offers resignation as German Interior Minister

jmcc

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Looks like Merkel may have blinked first. The situation on Seehofer is not clear yet but Merkel does not appear to have got her own way on this.
 


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This is the deal as translated from very bureaucratic German, again from the deutsche welle seite

) At the German-Austrian border there should be a new border regime, it should ensure "that we prevent asylum seekers whose asylum procedures are the responsibility of other EU countries from entering the country".

2) Transit centres will be set up. From there, asylum seekers should be sent directly to the responsible countries. However, this should not be done without a consensus, but on the basis of administrative agreements, for example.

3) In cases where such agreements can not be reached, they would nevertheless be rejected - "on the basis of an agreement with the Republic of Austria."

Now the CxU have to meet with the other government party the SPD to see if they agree.
 

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That's the way to have it. Fúck Merkel. Fúck federalism. In fact, fúck the EU.
The British Foreign secretary said that business was the only thing to be ************************************.

And people were giving out to him!
 

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She has wrecked the EU and driven the British out....


Hopefully others will follow if the Immigration Problem is not solved very very soon....
She may have wrecked the EU but the Brits are leaving under their own steam.

They have been unhappy about the EU since they joined it.
 

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1) At the German-Austrian border there should be a new border regime, it should ensure "that we prevent asylum seekers whose asylum procedures are the responsibility of other EU countries from entering the country".

2) Transit centres will be set up. From there, asylum seekers should be sent directly to the responsible countries. However, this should not be done without a consensus, but on the basis of administrative agreements, for example.

3) In cases where such agreements can not be reached, they would nevertheless be rejected - "on the basis of an agreement with the Republic of Austria."
I would not call this a compromise, I'd call it a complete capitulation by Merkel.
She obviously decided that was better than accepting Seehofer's resignation and then facing a no confidence vote, followed by collapse of the govt.

Back in 2015 Seehofer was fuming when Merkel bypassed him and abandoned the Dublin Regulation, inviting all migrants in to Germany.
Then she failed in her mandatory relocation quota plans for eastern Europe. Recently Austria and Italy turned against her, and Bavaria too.
Her most recent claim was that preventing asylum seekers whose asylum procedures are the responsibility of other EU countries from entering Germany would be a violation of one of the founding principles of the EU; the free movement of people. Seehofer saw things differently, and now he finally gets his way.

That freedom of movement thing was always meant to apply to EU citizens intending to work in another state. Not third world migrants, and not even to EU citizens on the lookout for better social welfare.
 

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Wonder if Merkel will be convinced to retire before the Autumn?
 

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She may have wrecked the EU but the Brits are leaving under their own steam.
They have been unhappy about the EU since they joined it.
Oh no, a few minor concessions to Cameron prior to the referendum could have sorted things out.
In the context of an influx of Romanians looking for free housing and social welfare in the UK, here's what an arrogant Merkel said...
Angela Merkel has said Germany will work with Britain on EU reform but principles such as free movement of people are non-negotiable.
The German chancellor underscored Germany’s “red lines” over British demands to toughen benefit rules for EU workers coming to Britain.
Although promising to work with Britain to find a compromise, the German chancellor stressed that some key principles, such as free movement of people, were sacrosanct.
“It goes without saying that we will work constructively with the British government,” Mrs Merkel said in a speech to the German parliament ahead of an EU summit in Brussels later on Thursday.
"But it also goes without saying that there are things that are non-negotiable. That there are achievements of European integration that cannot be haggled over, for example the principle of free movement and the principle of non-discrimination,” she said.
All that is gone out the window now though, seeing as she is so close to being consigned to the dustbin of history along with Cameron.
 

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We had more say under full British occupation.
Well eight centuries of violent colonial exploitation from London was to put it mildly not great.

The contrast with the EU could not be more extreme.

The EU is fundamentally a democratic institution.

The Parliament is elected directly by citizens of the member countries.

The Council is made up of elected Ministers from the member countries.

The Commission is run by nominees of the governments of the member countries.

All governments have been elected by their own citizens.

Many of these democracies were former members of the Soviet Union and were governed by totalitarianism before joining the EU.

All members of the EU from the biggest to the smallest have a veto on vital national interests.

The fact that the colonial power that invaded this country and spent centuries destroying its culture and economic life is pulling out of a EU that is made up of democracies is appropriate.

Racist English Brexiteers and their arse licking sympathisers are pathetic.
 

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Will the SPD agree to this? A great day for the AFD.
One of the measures apparently agreed in the EU meeting was that migrant taxi ships would be impounded if breaking regulations. Perhaps there's a lot of spinning being done to make it look like Merkel is still in charge but I think that there's a growing realisation that it is necessary to remove her in the interests of stability.
 

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I would not call this a compromise, I'd call it a complete capitulation by Merkel.
She obviously decided that was better than accepting Seehofer's resignation and then facing a no confidence vote, followed by collapse of the govt.

Back in 2015 Seehofer was fuming when Merkel bypassed him and abandoned the Dublin Regulation, inviting all migrants in to Germany.
Then she failed in her mandatory relocation quota plans for eastern Europe. Recently Austria and Italy turned against her, and Bavaria too.
Her most recent claim was that preventing asylum seekers whose asylum procedures are the responsibility of other EU countries from entering Germany would be a violation of one of the founding principles of the EU; the free movement of people. Seehofer saw things differently, and now he finally gets his way.

That freedom of movement thing was always meant to apply to EU citizens intending to work in another state. Not third world migrants, and not even to EU citizens on the lookout for better social welfare.
Seehofer had been threatening to introduce checks on all the borders afaik but this seems only to apply to Austria so it seems like a compromise.
 

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Oh no, a few minor concessions to Cameron prior to the referendum could have sorted things out.
In the context of an influx of Romanians looking for free housing and social welfare in the UK, here's what an arrogant Merkel said...

All that is gone out the window now though, seeing as she is so close to being consigned to the dustbin of history along with Cameron.
I'm sure that neither Cameron or Merkel will be consigned to the dustbin of history. I expect that both will be remembered for their parts in halting the federalisation of the EU and the re-enforcement of national boundaries. Well done, Merkel!
 

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Seehofer had been threatening to introduce checks on all the borders afaik but this seems only to apply to Austria so it seems like a compromise.
What countries stand between Italy and Germany and through which one is there a major illegal immigrant route?
 

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Oh no, a few minor concessions to Cameron prior to the referendum could have sorted things out.
In the context of an influx of Romanians looking for free housing and social welfare in the UK, here's what an arrogant Merkel said...

All that is gone out the window now though, seeing as she is so close to being consigned to the dustbin of history along with Cameron.
Free movement is an EU thing though, it's not just Merkel; when Merkel is gone there may be less inward migration but the principle of free movement within Europe will presumably continue.
 

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This is supposedly her final lap anyway, but there is no clear successor and no indication as to the timing.
They need to get rid of Merkel or they are going to end up in the same mess as with that village idiot Kenny and FG where a dominant position is erroded to the stage where an electoral disaster happens. The precursor of that disaster has already happened for Merkel with the rise of AfD.
 

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No win for Merkel either. This, if the translation is accurate, is a serious shift in tone:
""After intensive discussions between the CDU and CSU we have reached an agreement on how we can in future prevent illegal immigration on the border between Germany and Austria," Mr Seehofer told reporters as he was leaving the CDU's Berlin headquarters. "
 


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