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Seems the an FG councillor and the Indo wants a cull - of Pine Martens

Cellachán Chaisil

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Seems an FG councillor and the Indo wants a cull - of Pine Martens

Pine martens are 'out of control' in the midlands - Independent.ie

So the pine marten are enjoying some degree of recovery after being on the verge of extinction for a few decades, something which has raised the hackles of midlands farmers. Local farmers have indicted the pine marten for killing lambs and demand retribution. Sure children could be attacked when opening bins, claims one.



Fig. 1- The deadly pine marten. Not pictured, dead children



The Indo, for their part, do virtually nothing in their article to try and counter the claims. It doesn't even consult with biologists to investigate the suggestion that the martens attack sheep. It doesn't even question the farmers as to whether they actually saw pine martens attacking livestock. It doesn't even seem to validate the increase in numbers, except through anecdotal evidence about martens in bins. Like the charge of witchcraft, it seems, the allegation is enough to secure conviction.They bemoan the fact that such an animal, unlike the fox, has protected status, despite the fact it has no predators (which it does - the fox). The logical conclusion of the piece, despite precious little research being done on the matter, is that a cull is a necessity. These animals, half a metre long and 1.5kg in weight, are just too dangerous a menace to be allowed to live.

The article is depressing. Firstly due to the shoddy way the Indo reports and investigates the story. Secondly, because it reminds me that there are far too many farmers out there who are willing to destroy our natural heritage even if there is only a slight hint of a profit in it.
 
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Until recently the pine marten was rare and only found west of the Shannon, They seem to be pretty handy at sorting out the problem of grey squirrels.

I'd happily transfer them from Longford to other counties in the country where they could do a useful job on the grey vermin. Adopt a marten, anyone?
 

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Any kind of nature and they want a cull of it. Typical culchie right wingers.

Pine Martins are valuable native Irish wildlife who keep the grey squirrel numbers in check - giving reds (who are able to remain on thinner branches where the Martins cannot reach) an advantage. Nature is important, to hell with this idiot and the .2 % of profit he is thinking a tiny few farmers might make - although maybe he is just floating this cause right wing culchies like shooting and poisoning living things. To give them a passtime like.
 

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We do have a terrible record for conservation in this country and bloodsports too. We cull badgers for no defensible scientific rationale, we just do it. They are concerned about effects of TB on profits, these are the farmers who abuse antibiotics putting us all at risk.

If the Govt wants to be 'progressive' and seen as right on this is one way they could go about it. Conservation.
 

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Anyone remember the name of the councillor who was outspoken on the Pine Marten issue some years back, but was a bit taken aback when he learned it wasn't a bird?
 

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Anyone remember the name of the councillor who was outspoken on the Pine Marten issue some years back, but was a bit taken aback when he learned it wasn't a bird?
Michael Newman (FG)
 

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Michael Newman (FG)
Any Martins seem like a threat to FG at the moment.

Freud would have a field day.

Anyway Martens in their Clare fastness have a valuable niche in the ecosystem.

Some control as they fill other vacant predator niches across the land might be advisable from the farming point of view. until a balance is achieved.
 

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Anyone remember the name of the councillor who was outspoken on the Pine Marten issue some years back, but was a bit taken aback when he learned it wasn't a bird?
He did say he thought 'London 0 Hull 4' was a very good album though
 

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Farmers are the biggest threat to the environment in Ireland as it stands. I don't expect a cull to be called for, wouldn't be fair really.
 

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Pine martens are 'out of control' in the midlands - Independent.ie

So the pine marten are enjoying some degree of recovery after being on the verge of extinction for a few decades, something which has raised the hackles of midlands farmers. Local farmers have indicted the pine marten for killing lambs and demand retribution. Sure children could be attacked when opening bins, claims one.



Fig. 1- The deadly pine marten. Not pictured, dead children



The Indo, for their part, do virtually nothing in their article to try and counter the claims. It doesn't even consult with biologists to investigate the suggestion that the martens attack sheep. It doesn't even question the farmers as to whether they actually saw pine martens attacking livestock. It doesn't even seem to validate the increase in numbers, except through anecdotal evidence about martens in bins. Like the charge of witchcraft, it seems, the allegation is enough to secure conviction.They bemoan the fact that such an animal, unlike the fox, has protected status, despite the fact it has no predators (which it does - the fox). The logical conclusion of the piece, despite precious little research being done on the matter, is that a cull is a necessity. These animals, half a metre long and 1.5kg in weight, are just too dangerous a menace to be allowed to live.

The article is depressing. Firstly due to the shoddy way the Indo reports and investigates the story. Secondly, because it reminds me that there are far too many farmers out there who are willing to destroy our natural heritage even if there is only a slight hint of a profit in it.
We need a cull of FG councillors and Indo "journalists".

Put a bounty on the vermin.
 

Cellachán Chaisil

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Anyone remember the name of the councillor who was outspoken on the Pine Marten issue some years back, but was a bit taken aback when he learned it wasn't a bird?
“We are seeing species that have never been seen before in Ireland being introduced by these people. Look at the pine marten, the most nasty vicious bird that you have ever seen. They were never in Ireland but have been introduced.”
 

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“We are seeing species that have never been seen before in Ireland being introduced by these people. Look at the pine marten, the most nasty vicious bird that you have ever seen. They were never in Ireland but have been introduced.”
Isn't Google great?

Councillor in a flap over pine martens

Mr Newman had told the meeting he had a “bellyful” of these directives and with “interference” in the everyday life of good, honest country people when he joined with other councillors in criticising the designations sought by the National Wildlife Service.
I wonder is he a contributor here? He certainly has the style of some...
 

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Is it possible that it is mink which are killing the sheep. Never heard of pine martins attacking sheep and Longford has had issues with mink in the past.
 

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Tis but squantitative easing. Eminently prudent in these dicey fiscal times of ours.
 

Cellachán Chaisil

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Is it possible that it is mink which are killing the sheep. Never heard of pine martins attacking sheep and Longford has had issues with mink in the past.
More than likely, animals were found in the vicinity of already dead lambs, which isn't surprising given they're carrion eaters.

Won't be long before some farmers will accuse maggots of killing lambs.
 

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