Seen Trump - still want O'Leary?

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A few years back on this website there were many who wanted to see Michael O'Leary (of Ryanair notoriety) running Ireland. The reasons centred on his being 'a successful businessman' and that Ireland needed a 'businessman' to sort out issues with (for instance) the Health Care system in the country.

Now we've had 'a businessman' running the US for a few months and we've seen the results. Its clear that even a man who built his reputation on 'making deals' can't make Political Deals. His odd behavioural traits, and tendancy to run off at the mouth and shoot from the hip (sound like Micko at all?) has disgusted large swathes of the populace, and drawn fire from his own Party. Two of his flagship electoral promises now lie in ruins.

It seems the skills of 'leadership' and 'deal-making' in the business world are not in fact so easily transferred into the larger Socio-Political world. I therefore feel rather vindicated in always holding that O'Leary would have been a disaster at the helm of this country, and we are lucky as a nation to be only witnessing USS America foundering on the same rocks O'Leary would have driven L.E. Ireland onto in his madness.

Lessons learned?
 


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There maybe a lesson learned here that its hard to Drain the Swamp full of creatures of the Establishment. But it should be done nonetheless. It takes time to drain the swamp.

On the other hand tycoons are used to giving the orders and sacking those who will not comply. Trump is learning Congress doesnt work like that, and O'Leary could also learn this.

When you try to navigate the swamp (or in our case the Bog), you need to mind the crocodiles (or bog body zombies), as George Lee discovered. He had much to contribute, but FG wouldnt allow him to spread his political wings.
 
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Yeah, I was gonna wait a couple of years before starting a thread on this as, disastrous as it is so far, it is still too early to be sure that the Trump presidency will be the most disastrous in modern history.
We will need a bit more time to see how putting business people in charge of so many depts works out but what I and no doubt many others have thought is that they will be too tempted to help their former associates out, too willing to set up the game for their own return to business and too self interested generally. Obviously that all wouldn't be true of all business people but I would have serious doubts about anyone chosen by Trump.
For the next experiment we should have a govt of IT professionals, put those wonderful problem solving skills to work somewhere other than a keyboard and see if they can save Western civilization. Surely IT and political leadership require the same key skills?
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A few years back on this website there were many who wanted to see Michael O'Leary (of Ryanair notoriety) running Ireland. The reasons centred on his being 'a successful businessman' and that Ireland needed a 'businessman' to sort out issues with (for instance) the Health Care system in the country.

Now we've had 'a businessman' running the US for a few months and we've seen the results. Its clear that even a man who built his reputation on 'making deals' can't make Political Deals. His odd behavioural traits, and tendancy to run off at the mouth and shoot from the hip (sound like Micko at all?) has disgusted large swathes of the populace, and drawn fire from his own Party. Two of his flagship electoral promises now lie in ruins.

It seems the skills of 'leadership' and 'deal-making' in the business world are not in fact so easily transferred into the larger Socio-Political world. I therefore feel rather vindicated in always holding that O'Leary would have been a disaster at the helm of this country, and we are lucky as a nation to be only witnessing USS America foundering on the same rocks O'Leary would have driven L.E. Ireland onto in his madness.

Lessons learned?
there is no comparison between trumpet and o leary , trump is just stupid even by American standards and his wealth /success is down to grandaddy not that clown.
 

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there is no comparison between trumpet and o leary , trump is just stupid even by American standards and his wealth /success is down to grandaddy not that clown.
He delivered the repair to the Wollman Icerink in NY under budget and quickly in the 80s. Problem is the Washington swamp creatures feeding on taxpayers money for their pet projects.
 

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From the perspective of his base supporters he is seeing to keep his promises

- if the Creatures of the Swamp stick on his boots

- then at least he honestly say he tried....

But as we see with the Laptop ban from certain States

- there is more than one way to skin a cat

- or even a Crocodile....:cool:
 

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there is no comparison between trumpet and o leary , trump is just stupid even by American standards and his wealth /success is down to grandaddy not that clown.
Trump and O'Leary are both from privileged backgrounds, Trump could be said to be more successful, he is undoubtedly richer and runs his own business, O'Leary runs someone else's business and runs it well but he didn't come up with the idea.
 

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He delivered the repair to the Wollman Icerink in NY under budget and quickly in the 80s. Problem is the Washington swamp creatures feeding on taxpayers money for their pet projects.
Including his own family using taxpayers money to travel about the place?
 

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Including his own family using taxpayers money to travel about the place?
Every First Family does the same. Its just his one is large and hes a Republican so he gets stick from the MSM.
 

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Every First Family does the same. Its just his one is large and hes a Republican so he gets stick from the MSM.
He has adult children with their own families using taxpayers money to travel and on business, that is quite different from the Clintons and Obamas doing the same.
 

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He has adult children with their own families using taxpayers money to travel and on business, that is quite different from the Clintons and Obamas doing the same.
He also has a small child.
 

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He also has a small child.
And there is no problem with that and his wife using the transport, it is Ivanka and co using it that is plainly outside the spirit of the thing.
 

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Why would Michael O'Leary want to go into politics? FF, FG and indos like Shane Ross do whatever he wants anyway.
 

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Trump and O'Leary are both from privileged backgrounds, Trump could be said to be more successful, he is undoubtedly richer and runs his own business, O'Leary runs someone else's business and runs it well but he didn't come up with the idea.
Trump is a fence for the Russian billionaire mob. He doesn't need a business model or governance just a thick neck and good legals, all about to come unstuck though.
 

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A few years back on this website there were many who wanted to see Michael O'Leary (of Ryanair notoriety) running Ireland. The reasons centred on his being 'a successful businessman' and that Ireland needed a 'businessman' to sort out issues with (for instance) the Health Care system in the country.

Now we've had 'a businessman' running the US for a few months and we've seen the results. Its clear that even a man who built his reputation on 'making deals' can't make Political Deals. His odd behavioural traits, and tendancy to run off at the mouth and shoot from the hip (sound like Micko at all?) has disgusted large swathes of the populace, and drawn fire from his own Party. Two of his flagship electoral promises now lie in ruins.

It seems the skills of 'leadership' and 'deal-making' in the business world are not in fact so easily transferred into the larger Socio-Political world. I therefore feel rather vindicated in always holding that O'Leary would have been a disaster at the helm of this country, and we are lucky as a nation to be only witnessing USS America foundering on the same rocks O'Leary would have driven L.E. Ireland onto in his madness.

Lessons learned?
I can't really add much to that, if anything.....
You are correct in drawing the parallels with the caveat that while I believe that Trump behaves in the manner of a syphilitic ridden emperor of medieval times, shorthand quite unhinged and unused to people standing up to him, O'Leary is not....
But the traits are alike...I consider both to be bullying thugs and those who think successful business people are who should be running a SOCIETY are clearly clueless regarding the complexities of running one.....
The kind of lads who would sack anyone who dissents from them and employ hatchet men and strike breakers rather than accept that all people have rights other than the opinions of their almighty omnipotence....
 

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Trump is a fence for the Russian billionaire mob. He doesn't need a business model or governance just a thick neck and good legals, all about to come unstuck though.
:D
 

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For all his money Michael O'Leary cannot hide that he is a G**S**TE...........Its heartening that money cannot hide everything...........
 

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It's a bit disturbing that people think Michael O'Leary would be a good political leader. I think he'd be the last person to suggest it himself, and has said as much. The difference is that Trump doesn't have that level of self awareness.
 

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O'Leary is a successful businessman. But he himself has admitted that he is poor at dealing with the compromises and negotiation that are occasionally demanded of him. He has little patience with people, or with politics.

The skills needed to be a successful businessman are not necessarily the same as those needed in public administration--certainly not the same as those needed for the job of POTUS

Trump is learning that.

Such is our contempt for politics and politicians that we presume anyone can do it---the less experience the better.

But we do not take this counter-intuitive attitude to any other profession. We presume that experience helps and that every area of expertise has its own methods and protocols.

For a senior political role, some experience in public service of some kind is always a help---just as business experience would be if one suddenly found oneself a CEO of a large company.

The speed with which you can act as a CEO of a private company--where you are only really answerable to your shareholders--is not always an option when you are POTUS or Prime Minister, where so many different factors have to be taken into account--the rights of ALL citizens, not just a few, the checks and balances which constrain you, etc....

It's a different gig.

People only want a Michael O'Leary type in politics to hire and fire in a manner that they agree with and which advances their agenda

If O'Leary the politician started using his CEO powers to do stuff they profoundly disagree with, they would soon demand his dismissal.
 

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Yes I used to love hearing aul wans ringing up Joe to say that MOL should be running the HSE when we all know he would tell people who couldn't pay to go and jump. I will admit the little fascist in my brain wishes he could run it for just absolute minimum time it took to fire all the waster middle management and empire builders but sanity must prevail.

MOL is a master of the instant media quote and apparently a superb prize bull breeder and race horse owner. Unfortunately his treatment of staff and customers has been shocking and has helped drive the aviation industry's race to the bottom.

Trump was a semi successful real estate developer based on family money and another rent a quote merchant and the reality of this is playing out.
 


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