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Selective policing and justice in Mayo (no surprise there)


truthforsooth

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As many will know from RTE and other media, Shell to Sea protestor Pat O' Donnell was convicted this week of obstructing, threatening and abusing Gardai who are policing the Shell work in Erris.

RTÉ News: Campaigner jailed over Corrib protest

The judge called him a "bully" and a "thug" (it has often been said that name-calling by officialdom is an early warning sign of fascism in a society).
Now, I don't know much about the incidents for which O' Donnell was charged. Quite possibly he acted wrongly, and if so fair enough. But what I do know is that the Gardai are very selective about which incidents they bring to court and judges are equally selective about what evidence they will credit. For example, a previous case in which O' Donnell was charged with assault

Belmullet District Court Report - Shell to Sea ‘3’ Accused. - Indymedia Ireland

was brought by a Garda who ignored O' Donnell's own claim that he had been assaulted by a Garda:

"Sergeant Dermot Butler gave evidence by reading a written account of an interview where he and Garda Gary Walsh had questioned Pat O’Donnell in the video interview room. Sgt Butler said that “he had become aware of the Sgt Glennon incident” and took responsibility for its investigation. Mr Gannon, defence solicitor, felt it was important for the judge to see the full interview on video as Sgt. Butler’s account of it differed materially from the video. As well as showing verbal abuse by Sgt Butler on the tape which was not recorded in the written account, where Sgt Butler called Mr'O'Donnell "a liar and a f...ing liar", there were also questions raised as to the legality of the continued detention of Mr O’Donnell for questioning, the procedure by which the interview was conducted, and an allegation by Mr O’Donnell on tape that he had been punched in the chin by Sergeant James Gill at the time of the alleged incident. Sgt Butler was questioned as to why he had not investigated that incident after hearing complaint of it from Mr O’Donnell, but instead chose to investigate the Sgt Glennon incident when no complaint had been made to him by Sgt. Glennon himself. Mr Gannon pointed out that a Sergeant has ‘unique investigative powers’ and when Mr O’Donnell gave him information of his assault, then Sgt Butler was duty bound to investigate it. As Sgt Butler persisted in avoiding many questions in this regard, Mr Gannon asked him “What were you thinking at the time Sgt Butler”. “I didn’t think anything” was Sgt Butler’s reply."

We are seeing, again and again in relation to the Corrib issue, that judges will accept Garda evidence every time and that members of the Shell to Sea movement are being selectively charged and imprisoned to remove their influential presence from the area.
 

Half Nelson

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I think we all know what's going on here.
The pity is that it will only make matters worse.

btw. sections the Paul Williams documentary last night were laughable in light of the decision by An Bord Pleanala.
 

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A very fair sentence for these thugs.

The Circuit Criminal Court in Castlebar was told that O'Donnell and a group of around 30 others had surrounded an unmarked garda car.
They then threatened and intimidated four gardaí who had been monitoring a four-hour long protest.
During the incident, which occurred on 14 September 2008, the protesters hurled abuse at the gardaí.
The protestors prevented them from getting out of the car and demanded that they hand over a surveillance video camera.
Judge Raymond Groarke described the actions of the group as a dreadful event, which was clearly intended to intimidate the gardaí.
He told O'Donnell that he regarded him as a bully and a thug who believed he could do what he liked and get away with it.
The judge imposed consecutive sentences of three and four months on each of the two counts.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0210/corrib.html
 

dicknorris

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I'm from Mayo shell to sea group and thugs , they threaten people who just want to do a days work something they havent done in years
 

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Did you witness the incident?
No but presumably the witnesses for the state saw enough to convince a judge and jury. No one's claiming they weren't given a fair trial. So for what they've been convicted of, yes it's a fair sentence imo.
 

truthforsooth

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I'm from Mayo shell to sea group and thugs , they threaten people who just want to do a days work something they havent done in years
Name-calling and generalisations. You're saying that no Shell to Sea person has done a day's work in years? I say you're wrong.
And, more importantly, how much work would there be if the state kept control of our own natural resources, instead of passing them off to multinationals in behind-closed-doors deals? I think there would be a lot, and a great deal of money for Ireland as well.
But back to the post - the Gardai and the courts are supposed to treat all people equally, but clearly that isn't happening here. The result is alienation of people from their state.
 

Supermanpolitician

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As many will know from RTE and other media, Shell to Sea protestor Pat O' Donnell was convicted this week of obstructing, threatening and abusing Gardai who are policing the Shell work in Erris.

RTÉ News: Campaigner jailed over Corrib protest

The judge called him a "bully" and a "thug" (it has often been said that name-calling by officialdom is an early warning sign of fascism in a society).
Now, I don't know much about the incidents for which O' Donnell was charged. Quite possibly he acted wrongly, and if so fair enough. But what I do know is that the Gardai are very selective about which incidents they bring to court and judges are equally selective about what evidence they will credit. For example, a previous case in which O' Donnell was charged with assault

Belmullet District Court Report - Shell to Sea ‘3’ Accused. - Indymedia Ireland

was brought by a Garda who ignored O' Donnell's own claim that he had been assaulted by a Garda:

"Sergeant Dermot Butler gave evidence by reading a written account of an interview where he and Garda Gary Walsh had questioned Pat O’Donnell in the video interview room. Sgt Butler said that “he had become aware of the Sgt Glennon incident” and took responsibility for its investigation. Mr Gannon, defence solicitor, felt it was important for the judge to see the full interview on video as Sgt. Butler’s account of it differed materially from the video. As well as showing verbal abuse by Sgt Butler on the tape which was not recorded in the written account, where Sgt Butler called Mr'O'Donnell "a liar and a f...ing liar", there were also questions raised as to the legality of the continued detention of Mr O’Donnell for questioning, the procedure by which the interview was conducted, and an allegation by Mr O’Donnell on tape that he had been punched in the chin by Sergeant James Gill at the time of the alleged incident. Sgt Butler was questioned as to why he had not investigated that incident after hearing complaint of it from Mr O’Donnell, but instead chose to investigate the Sgt Glennon incident when no complaint had been made to him by Sgt. Glennon himself. Mr Gannon pointed out that a Sergeant has ‘unique investigative powers’ and when Mr O’Donnell gave him information of his assault, then Sgt Butler was duty bound to investigate it. As Sgt Butler persisted in avoiding many questions in this regard, Mr Gannon asked him “What were you thinking at the time Sgt Butler”. “I didn’t think anything” was Sgt Butler’s reply."

We are seeing, again and again in relation to the Corrib issue, that judges will accept Garda evidence every time and that members of the Shell to Sea movement are being selectively charged and imprisoned to remove their influential presence from the area.
Jesus you have broken Godwin's rule in your opening post. Is this a record?
 

truthforsooth

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obviously not - that why we have media like rte, etc
So you're calling people thugs based on a news report of Garda evidence, which my post alleges is selective anyway. Do the maths.:)
 

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So you're calling people thugs based on a news report of Garda evidence, which my post alleges is selective anyway. Do the maths.:)
Yes - based on reputable sources like national media and courtroom evidence
Why would I believe you?
 

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Yes - based on reputable sources like national media and courtroom evidence
Why would I believe you?
Believe me or not as you see fit, and allow others to do the same. I'm saying that national media and courtroom evidence is not reputable in this case.
 

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So you're calling people thugs based on a news report of Garda evidence, which my post alleges is selective anyway. Do the maths.:)
No he is calling people thugs based on evidence that was presented in court, accepted by a judge and resulted in a conviction.

So yes they are thugs as proven in a court of law.

Case closed.
 

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I'm careful with my language. I don't name people, I name behaviour. It's a very important distinction.
So you're saying that had the judge described his behaviour as "thuggery" that would be ok, but it is wrong to decribe the person who partakes in thuggery as a "thug".


Are are you saying that the judge isn't allowed to say anything about anyone, even though he is a judge? (And the clue might be in the word "judge").
 

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No but presumably the witnesses for the state saw enough to convince a judge and jury. No one's claiming they weren't given a fair trial. So for what they've been convicted of, yes it's a fair sentence imo.
I don't think it was a jury trial.
On 11th June 2009, Pat O'Donnell's boat was sunk by 4 armed and masked men in Broadhaven Bay. Later that month both Pat O'Donnell and his son Jonathan were arrested in Broadhaven Bay just prior to the arrival of Shell's pipelaying vessel, the Solitaire. Both fishermen's boats were impounded, yet no charges were brought against Pat and charges were later dropped against Jonathan. Almost identical arrests occurred in 2008 again just prior to the Solitaire's arrival.
Mr Conway continued “Pat O'Donnell has been a constant thorn in Shell's side as he has refused to be bought off, and has upheld his legal and traditional right to fish in Broadhaven Bay. Now, as Shell prepare to occupy Broadhaven Bay in the coming months for further pipeline work, Pat O Donnell is conveniently stuck in jail”
 
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