Semi-Professional League of Ireland: Beyond 2016

RepublicOfLuas

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In a good year over-all for football/soccer in Ireland, can we build on the momentum or will the usual happen? Will Irish soccer fans start looking towards their local clubs when it comes to the future of the game they love so much, or will they just sit back on the barstool (sorry for anyone offended by the term 'barstooler') and keep bemoaning the existence of the domestic game in Ireland.

in what way can we transfer the passion we saw in France in the stands to the stands of Tallaght, Cork, Galway, etc?

The benefits of having (at least) a semi-professional league in Ireland could include:

- Better facilities to help produce more quality footballers.
- More confident players
- Potential market for exporting players to other professional leagues.
- Sense of community
- Local economic growth
- Something for young people to aspire to be a part of

What do the users of P.ie think we can do to improve the domestic game in Ireland?

My own suggestion is that the FAI create a job position for someone to take care of the administration of the League of Ireland. This League of Ireland head-hauncho could begin the process of encouraging every county/city council to get on board and begin to create the foundations of a potential national level club.

Current counties without representation are: Leitrim, Mayo, Offally, Roscommon, Clare, Kerry, Tipperary, Kilkenny, Laois, Carlow, Kildare, Meath, Monaghan, Cavan.

Short term Counties to target could include urban areas with large populations with/or without previous LOI representation.

Kildare: Kildare County was a failed experiment. Why?
Carlow: FC Carlow, run in conjunction with Carlow IT, also lasted quite a short time. Why was it pulled?
Monaghan: Monaghan United, a team with a history of passion, just fizzled out. Why did no-one step in?
Kerry: Tralee Dynamos, another brief-flop. Why did they give up so soon?
Fingal: Sporing Fingal was one of the more promissing attempts, but like some of the others, ran into some financial issues. Too much too soon?
Kilkenny: Kilkenny City started from nothing, grew, then fizzled out. What happened?
Tipperary: Thurles Town competed many years ago, but Tipp still has a strong enough football set-up at junior level.

Other towns and villages don't have any top level history in terms of soccer, but there are strong regional schoolboy leagues that could be the starting point for other counties and their respective councils to get the, pardon the non-intentional pun, ball rolling.

Could we ever see Mayo FC* vs Carrick Town, or what about Meath United* vs Cavan Town?
Clare Rangers* beating Kerry Athletic* in the FAI Cup semi-final to face either North Tipperary* or South Tipperary*?
 


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In a good year over-all for football/soccer in Ireland, can we build on the momentum or will the usual happen? Will Irish soccer fans start looking towards their local clubs when it comes to the future of the game they love so much, or will they just sit back on the barstool (sorry for anyone offended by the term 'barstooler') and keep bemoaning the existence of the domestic game in Ireland.

in what way can we transfer the passion we saw in France in the stands to the stands of Tallaght, Cork, Galway, etc?

The benefits of having (at least) a semi-professional league in Ireland could include:

- Better facilities to help produce more quality footballers.
- More confident players
- Potential market for exporting players to other professional leagues.
- Sense of community
- Local economic growth
- Something for young people to aspire to be a part of

What do the users of P.ie think we can do to improve the domestic game in Ireland?

My own suggestion is that the FAI create a job position for someone to take care of the administration of the League of Ireland. This League of Ireland head-hauncho could begin the process of encouraging every county/city council to get on board and begin to create the foundations of a potential national level club.

Current counties without representation are: Leitrim, Mayo, Offally, Roscommon, Clare, Kerry, Tipperary, Kilkenny, Laois, Carlow, Kildare, Meath, Monaghan, Cavan.

Short term Counties to target could include urban areas with large populations with/or without previous LOI representation.

Kildare: Kildare County was a failed experiment. Why?
Carlow: FC Carlow, run in conjunction with Carlow IT, also lasted quite a short time. Why was it pulled?
Monaghan: Monaghan United, a team with a history of passion, just fizzled out. Why did no-one step in?
Kerry: Tralee Dynamos, another brief-flop. Why did they give up so soon?
Fingal: Sporing Fingal was one of the more promissing attempts, but like some of the others, ran into some financial issues. Too much too soon?
Kilkenny: Kilkenny City started from nothing, grew, then fizzled out. What happened?
Tipperary: Thurles Town competed many years ago, but Tipp still has a strong enough football set-up at junior level.

Other towns and villages don't have any top level history in terms of soccer, but there are strong regional schoolboy leagues that could be the starting point for other counties and their respective councils to get the, pardon the non-intentional pun, ball rolling.

Could we ever see Mayo FC* vs Carrick Town, or what about Meath United* vs Cavan Town?
Clare Rangers* beating Kerry Athletic* in the FAI Cup semi-final to face either North Tipperary* or South Tipperary*?
Dynamos were always financially unsustainable as a stand-alone entity even in the A Championship - only a Kerry County side could survive in the League of Ireland, but the substantial costs (€100-200k per season) render that unattractive.
 

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Where in Offaly, Leitrim, Laois etc has the population centre to sustain even semi pro football?

The 'county' thing was tried and failed.

The FAI can't make clubs step up. What they can do is create a pyramid and let teams find their level
 

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Where in Offaly, Leitrim, Laois etc has the population centre to sustain even semi pro football?
Neither of those counties, with the exception of Laois, has potential to develop a semi-pro club. Portloaise has a population similar to Sligo Town so there's no reason why foundations could be laid by the FAI and Laois County Council.

The 'county' thing was tried and failed.
It was tried, and it can be tried again. Why did the 'County' teams fail?


The FAI can't make clubs step up.
They don't have to be able to make clubs step up. All they have to do is lay the foundations within towns that have high population density.

What they can do is create a pyramid and let teams find their level
Is that the only thing they could do?
 

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Neither of those counties, with the exception of Laois, has potential to develop a semi-pro club. Portloaise has a population similar to Sligo Town so there's no reason why foundations could be laid by the FAI and Laois County Council.



It was tried, and it can be tried again. Why did the 'County' teams fail?




They don't have to be able to make clubs step up. All they have to do is lay the foundations within towns that have high population density.



Is that the only thing they could do?
It's not the role of local government to set up professional sport. The FAI bend over backwards for clubs looking to step up. All these towns have football teams and there is a reason towns of that size don't have professional teams. Sligo is very much an aberration in terms of the size of the town and the punters through the door

The county idea failed because it's a crude import from another sport.

A pyramid means sides find their level within the structure and the drop from professional to amateur or vice versa is structured.
 

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Kerry FC based in Kilarney. There's an idea :)
Population 14,000. Only Longford in the loi has a smaller population. Rovers have more people within a 3 mile radius of their stadium than the entire population of Kerry.
 

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In a good year over-all for football/soccer in Ireland, can we build on the momentum or will the usual happen? Will Irish soccer fans start looking towards their local clubs when it comes to the future of the game they love so much, or will they just sit back on the barstool (sorry for anyone offended by the term 'barstooler') and keep bemoaning the existence of the domestic game in Ireland.

in what way can we transfer the passion we saw in France in the stands to the stands of Tallaght, Cork, Galway, etc?

The benefits of having (at least) a semi-professional league in Ireland could include:

- Better facilities to help produce more quality footballers.
- More confident players
- Potential market for exporting players to other professional leagues.
- Sense of community
- Local economic growth
- Something for young people to aspire to be a part of

What do the users of P.ie think we can do to improve the domestic game in Ireland?

My own suggestion is that the FAI create a job position for someone to take care of the administration of the League of Ireland. This League of Ireland head-hauncho could begin the process of encouraging every county/city council to get on board and begin to create the foundations of a potential national level club.

Current counties without representation are: Leitrim, Mayo, Offally, Roscommon, Clare, Kerry, Tipperary, Kilkenny, Laois, Carlow, Kildare, Meath, Monaghan, Cavan.

Short term Counties to target could include urban areas with large populations with/or without previous LOI representation.

Kildare: Kildare County was a failed experiment. Why?
Carlow: FC Carlow, run in conjunction with Carlow IT, also lasted quite a short time. Why was it pulled?
Monaghan: Monaghan United, a team with a history of passion, just fizzled out. Why did no-one step in?
Kerry: Tralee Dynamos, another brief-flop. Why did they give up so soon?
Fingal: Sporing Fingal was one of the more promissing attempts, but like some of the others, ran into some financial issues. Too much too soon?
Kilkenny: Kilkenny City started from nothing, grew, then fizzled out. What happened?
Tipperary: Thurles Town competed many years ago, but Tipp still has a strong enough football set-up at junior level.

Other towns and villages don't have any top level history in terms of soccer, but there are strong regional schoolboy leagues that could be the starting point for other counties and their respective councils to get the, pardon the non-intentional pun, ball rolling.

Could we ever see Mayo FC* vs Carrick Town, or what about Meath United* vs Cavan Town?
Clare Rangers* beating Kerry Athletic* in the FAI Cup semi-final to face either North Tipperary* or South Tipperary*?
Most of those counties havnt got the population or are far to gaa orientated to ever sustain a senior soccer team. In my area alone you have numerous gaa clubs but you would be hardpressed to find one soccer club, you mention kilkenny, tipperary and kerry these are counties with huge gaa traditions where senior soccer will never get a foothold.
 

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A lot of misty eyed nostalgia here.
In the real world, Monaghan had a tiny support base, I remember they were delighted when they drew Cork city in the FAI cup as they had their biggest crowd of that season,350.
Thurles town and Kilkenny were almost exclusively Dublin teams. AFAIR, Thurles used to actually train in Dublin.
 

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Most of those counties havnt got the population or are far to gaa orientated to ever sustain a senior soccer team. In my area alone you have numerous gaa clubs but you would be hardpressed to find one soccer club, you mention kilkenny, tipperary and kerry these are counties with huge gaa traditions where senior soccer will never get a foothold.
Those counties have very strong football structures, more people play football in Kerry than Gaelic. Kilkenny and Thurles had loi teams. The issue is population not so called gaa heartlands.
 

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It's not the role of local government to set up professional sport.
I never said it was. :?

The FAI bend over backwards for clubs looking to step up.
I disagree


All these towns have football teams and there is a reason towns of that size don't have professional teams.
A reason? Just one?

Sligo is very much an aberration in terms of the size of the town and the punters through the door
And?

The county idea failed because it's a crude import from another sport.
Is that the only reason it failed?

A pyramid means sides find their level within the structure and the drop from professional to amateur or vice versa is structured.
I know what a pyramid means. Should we just leave it at that? Love your optimism :roll:
 

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Most of those counties havnt got the population or are far to gaa orientated to ever sustain a senior soccer team. In my area alone you have numerous gaa clubs but you would be hardpressed to find one soccer club, you mention kilkenny, tipperary and kerry these are counties with huge gaa traditions where senior soccer will never get a foothold.
Things can change.
 

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AFAIK The Icelandic FA have pumped virtually every cent they got from Euro 2016 back into their national league! That's the sane thing to do!
 

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In my brief LoI career (2 first division games before I discovered the much more rewarding joys of glue sniffing and working as a chimney sweep) I was paid 5 Olde Irish Punts per game with a 5 Olde Irish Punt bonus for a goal.

Made 10 punts one game. Not bad considering there was a crowd of about 8 people at the match.

I content myself with this thought though... How much money did Ronaldo make from football in the mid-80s, eh?

Fook all. :D
 

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Do you not think a "Kerry FC" could attract fans from surrounding towns and villages?
No. If they could they would. You are making it out like you are the first to think of this.

The biggest urban area without a club is Swords. There really isn't a market out there.
 


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