Senator Fergal Quinn - RIP

DJP

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 2, 2006
Messages
12,618
You shouldn't have been drinking pints at school age, bucko.
I rarely was actually but £2 pay per hour didn't go a long way for buying cans and bottles also, bar the really cheap stuff like Dutch Gold and Buckfast. Btw I have no resentment to Fergal Quinn over the pay at the time. He was paying the standard rate for the retail sector I think and goods like alcohol and services were a lot cheaper then in general. He wasn't radical on pay but that was the culture at the time.
 


Splodge

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 24, 2019
Messages
613
That is really serious bullshite, I was around then, I worked in and witnessed the work practices in the Mail Centres including the new one at Knockmitten, I personally heard shop stewards telling workers to take unused sick leave. The work practices there were rotten to the core and possibly criminal. The management you speak of were very much in place prior to Quinns time and tolerated the unions fraudulent practices, he had to deal with that sh!te where these idiots workers and management thought of themselves as above reproach. No private business would have tolerated what went on in the mail centres and rightly so but the management did and connived with unions to maintain the status quo. Don't tell me I don't know I know full well what went on in the mail centres and if you really worked there so do you but perhaps you think it was all ok.
I’m not going to criticise Fergal Quinn. He was a good man. You’re talking through your hoop though about the postal service. An Post was put in an impossible position regarding competing with the private operators. For instance they were forced to charge the same amount to deliver a parcel to the backend of nowhere as one delivered next door. SDS was a profitable company with the latest technology in the Naas Rd. It was deliberately run down by the management. As for the unions, they were flexible beyond belief. They usually bent over backwards to implement changing work practices with no benefit to the workers.
 

hiding behind a poster

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 8, 2005
Messages
48,193
I rarely was actually but £2 pay per hour didn't go a long way for buying cans and bottles also, bar the really cheap stuff like Dutch Gold and Buckfast. Btw I have no resentment to Fergal Quinn over the pay at the time. He was paying the standard rate for the retail sector I think and goods like alcohol and services were a lot cheaper then in general. He wasn't radical on pay but that was the culture at the time.
I was on £1.29, which went up to £1.40 when I turned 17. But the average wage in the country was about £10,000 at the time, whereas it's now about £30,000 in old money, making that £1.29 equal just under €5 in today's terms. Not much more than half the minimum wage, but I was under 18 and there was no minimum wage back then anyway. So it wasn't that bad by the standards of the time.
 

DJP

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 2, 2006
Messages
12,618
I was on £1.29, which went up to £1.40 when I turned 17. But the average wage in the country was about £10,000 at the time, whereas it's now about £30,000 in old money, making that £1.29 equal just under €5 in today's terms. Not much more than half the minimum wage, but I was under 18 and there was no minimum wage back then anyway. So it wasn't that bad by the standards of the time.
Yeah I realise that the levels back then equate to around €5 an hour in today's money, although I wouldn't think that just because people were under 18 that they should have been paid less. As you say there was no minimum wage back then though and I don't fault him much for the culture of the time.
 

DJP

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 2, 2006
Messages
12,618
Not interested in screwing them either - just make them pay according to their ability.
Doesn't the Trotskyist/Leninist theory you supposedly subscribe to talk about overthrowing the middle class and that, according to Lenin, socialism is just a staging post or tactic to get to the longer term goal of full communism?
 

making waves

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 2, 2010
Messages
19,277
Doesn't the Trotskyist/Leninist theory you supposedly subscribe to talk about overthrowing the middle class and that, according to Lenin, socialism is just a staging post or tactic to get to the longer term goal of full communism?
No - it's objective is the overthrow of capitalism
 

making waves

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 2, 2010
Messages
19,277
Wasn't Paul Murphy quoted in The SBP in recent months about being "anti-bourgeois"- bourgeois being middle class?
The bourgeoisie are the rich elites - the political term for the middle class are 'petty-bourgeoisie'.
 

Greener

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 3, 2009
Messages
2,508
For Socialism to actually occur it either requires direct state action, or capitalist means to make it happen, in which case it’s co-operative.

You can have left wing policies in a capitalist system, use capitalist means to become co-operative, or actually use state intervention, which most socialists deny as a means to socialism.
 

Pyewacket

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 24, 2019
Messages
2,458
The bourgeoisie are the rich elites - the political term for the middle class are 'petty-bourgeoisie'.
No actually, they are not, they are just rubbish. Bastards that got lucky, and then used their time to grind everyone else down.

Your actual bourgeoisie, such as myself, are educated people, interested in the arts and sciences, practitioners of both, and very keen on communicating both.

We are living in very brutal times. That were was a brief window when the consensus was that there is no such thing as "scum lower orders", merely people who had been exploited and treated as if they were nothing. Which is wrong, counter-productive, and leaves us all diminished, easily played on by violent, arrogant chancers, and generally worse off.

And the thing was if we get right behind society, then we will have a good one.

Is that "socialist?". I guess.
 

Northsideman

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 7, 2010
Messages
9,620
Nah - I have no interest in trying to make money out of screwing my fellow human beings.
People providing employment for others ain't screwing your fellow man, yeah some try to, so do but the vast bulk don't.
 

hiding behind a poster

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 8, 2005
Messages
48,193
People providing employment for others ain't screwing your fellow man, yeah some try to, so do but the vast bulk don't.
And the horrible nasty establishment, by its laws, prevents those who wish to screw others from doing so.
 

Pabilito

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 24, 2008
Messages
5,616
And that is how Fergal Quinn made his money - paying crap wages.
Fergal Quinn looked after those who couldn't look after themselves.. Your small minded posts demonstrate how you made your money slagging your betters.
 


New Threads

Popular Threads

Most Replies

Top