Separation of State and Church stalls - giving the nuns a maternity hospital!

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Only in Ireland could the Government even consider building a national maternity hospital on the grounds of a load of people who will never need to use it.

And as if that wasn't enough what do they think they are doing, moving the national maternity hospital to grounds owned by the same congregation embroiled in a controversy over unpaid fees for redress for single mothers who they abused, enslaved, were embroiled in forced adoptions etc.

Harris has said that the new hospital will be run independently. How? If the hospital is on their land then they own it. Or do they?

The goverment should be using a compulsory purchase order for a nominal fee (€1) to take the land from this order in lieu of the millions that they owe to the redress scheme and then build a totally non religious hospital that NO church has any part in.
 


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There is a piece in the Times I believe in which a nun is mentioned as as saying the new hospital would be run on lines that would not conflict with the ethos of the Sisters of Charity.

Which immediately places the new hospital front and centre in the national debate over abortion.

I'm beginning to wonder whether there is some sort of institution out of which Irish politicians are reared in order to attain a level of remedial stupidity that is the envy of sh1tholes like the Yemen.

Either that or the orders have some files containing a litany of career ending confessions by Irish politicians and their ancestral holders of the ancestral seats.

Because the Irish government is looking more like a blackmail subject as time goes on.
 

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Protest Organised for 1.00 p.m. outside Department of Health, Hawkins Street Dublin

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Cllr. Éilis Ryan - Workers Party Dublin Central‎No to Church control of our Maternity Hospital!
 

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There is a piece in the Times I believe in which a nun is mentioned as as saying the new hospital would be run on lines that would not conflict with the ethos of the Sisters of Charity.

Which immediately places the new hospital front and centre in the national debate over abortion.

I'm beginning to wonder whether there is some sort of institution out of which Irish politicians are reared in order to attain a level of remedial stupidity that is the envy of sh1tholes like the Yemen.
Former master of the National Maternity Hospital Peter Boylan, rejects assurances that the Sisters of Charity will have no role in the running of the new hospital being built on the grounds of St Vincent's

also states:
The Structure is completely wrong
It is unacceptable for the State, our money to be given to the Sisters of Charity to build a hospital.

See the clip from Morning Ireland - entitled 'former master of #holles street criticses role of nuns in new maternity hospital.

https://twitter.com/morningireland
 

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Meanwhile, there's a Petition that has over 50K signatures .... add if you agree

Over 40,000 sign petition to prevent Sisters of Charity becoming owners of maternity hospital

Emily Duffy of Uplift, the group behind the petition, said: “This is an issue that people in Ireland are clearly outraged about.
“It’s rare we see a petition go viral so rapidly, and it shows that people are deeply troubled by the State’s utter disregard for the many victims of abuse which took place in institutions run by orders such as the Sisters of Charity.”

The Sisters of Charity is one of 18 residential institutions that is highlighted by the Ryan report 2009 to have been responsible for child abuse. They still owe €3 million to the redress scheme for its survivors. The Sisters of Charity, along with three other religious congregations, were responsible for the management of Magdalene Laundries. In 2013 they stated they would not be making ANY contributions to the State redress scheme to the women who had been subject abuse in the Magdalene Laundries. The Department of Health now want to give 'sole' ownership of the new €300 million State-funded National Maternity Hospital.

Deny them 'sole' ownership. Demand they formally apologise and pay redress.

https://my.uplift.ie/petitions/block-sisters-of-chairty-as-sole-owners-of-national-maternity-hospital?bucket
 

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Thanks for this. Only a complete moron would set the new hospital up for future controversies over what it will and won't do and allow a bunch of recidivist nuns to poke their noses into it while still refusing to repay the state what it owes in redress bills.

Is Simon Harris a moron?

Or has he been got at since last month when he made much noise about the orders refusing to pay their minimal share of the redress bill?
 

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Patsy McGarry in the Irish Times:

The Sisters of Charity are the shareholders of the St Vincent’s Healthcare Group which the Department of Health said will be the “sole owner of the new hospital” which is to be built on a site at Elm Park in south Dublin.

The relocation of the hospital from Holles Street to the St Vincent’s hospital campus involves the largest single investment ever made in maternity services in the State.

…A department spokesman said the “autonomy of the national maternity hospital board will be underpinned by reserved powers to ensure clinical and operational independence, and the Minister for Health will hold the power to protect those reserved powers”


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National Maternity Hospital | Broadsheet.ie
 

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Patsy McGarry in the Irish Times:

The Sisters of Charity are the shareholders of the St Vincent’s Healthcare Group which the Department of Health said will be the “sole owner of the new hospital” which is to be built on a site at Elm Park in south Dublin.

The relocation of the hospital from Holles Street to the St Vincent’s hospital campus involves the largest single investment ever made in maternity services in the State.

…A department spokesman said the “autonomy of the national maternity hospital board will be underpinned by reserved powers to ensure clinical and operational independence, and the Minister for Health will hold the power to protect those reserved powers”


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National Maternity Hospital | Broadsheet.ie
So it is to all depend on whether the Minister for Health is a religious nut or not?
 

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Mr Harris doesn't even know how to spell 'lien' either so how he would expect to implement a 'lean' is another matter entirely.

I think the Public Accounts Committee needs to hold a hearing on this lot as it cannot be in the public interest to have an organisation which owes the state 3 million euros and refuses to pay it actually be awarded ownership of a hospital to be built with public funds.

What's next. Are they going to give Denis O'Brien a slice of the contracts around it as well?
 

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Only in Ireland could the Government even consider building a national maternity hospital on the grounds of a load of people who will never need to use it.

And as if that wasn't enough what do they think they are doing, moving the national maternity hospital to grounds owned by the same congregation embroiled in a controversy over unpaid fees for redress for single mothers who they abused, enslaved, were embroiled in forced adoptions etc.

Harris has said that the new hospital will be run independently. How? If the hospital is on their land then they own it. Or do they?

The goverment should be using a compulsory purchase order for a nominal fee (€1) to take the land from this order in lieu of the millions that they owe to the redress scheme and then build a totally non religious hospital that NO church has any part in.
CPO's are only for the little people who they think can't fight back ....
 

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What really upset St Vincent’s have been the legitimate concerns raised in the media about a hospital group that is owned by an order of Catholic nuns taking control of the state’s national maternity hospital.

Historically, the church’s grip on women’s wombs has produced some of the tawdriest and most tragic scandals of the Irish state.

Think of the mass graves in Dublin’s High Park laundry and Tuam’s mother and baby home. Think of the mothers who had their pelvises sundered during symphysiotomy and the dying Savita Halappanavar being told she could not have her doomed pregnancy terminated because “this is a Catholic country”.

The Religious Sisters of Charity ran three of the Magdalene laundries covered by the McAleese report, which catalogued the systemic indentured servitude of pregnant girls and women, and which led to Enda Kenny’s apology in the Dail.


The nuns have refused to contribute to the state’s compensation scheme for the women. Meanwhile, St Vincent’s group receives over €200 million a year from the exchequer.


- Justine McCarthy Irish Times
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National Maternity Hospital | Broadsheet.ie
 

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Mr Harris doesn't even know how to spell 'lien' either so how he would expect to implement a 'lean' is another matter entirely.

I think the Public Accounts Committee needs to hold a hearing on this lot as it cannot be in the public interest to have an organisation which owes the state 3 million euros and refuses to pay it actually be awarded ownership of a hospital to be built with public funds.

What's next. Are they going to give Denis O'Brien a slice of the contracts around it as well?

He is seriously out of his depth on this one!
 


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