Serious reduction in sperm counts among western men, public health crisis?

eoghanacht

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I told her me having a vasectomy would be bad for the future of mankind. I let the side down lads I'm sorry.

After two sons, the heir and the spare I felt I'd done my part and the pill played havoc with herself , a reinvigorated sex life was worth it.

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Good thread.

I heard also recently that experts think that the quality of sperm might also be declining.

I seem to have been blessed with good stock, although I miss being able to repeatedly crack one off on demand, the way that I could back in the day
 

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The big question is why and what are the implications?

Numerous possibilities have been suggested, from links to body weight, a lack of physical activity, smoking, and exposure of pregnant women to chemicals found in myriad household products (known as endocrine disruptors). Are we facing a huge public health crisis as suggested by the experts?

Rates of testicular cancer are on the rise, and men who are concerned about their sperm count and who wish to have children are being advised not to delay.

"The study, published in the journal Human Reproduction Update by an international team of researchers, drew on 185 studies conducted between 1973 and 2011, involving almost 43,000 men. The team split the data based on whether the men were from western countries – including Australia and New Zealand as well as countries in North America and Europe – or from elsewhere.

After accounting for factors including age and how long men had gone without ejaculation, the team found that sperm concentration fell from 99 million per ml in 1973 to 47.1 million per ml in 2011 – a decline of 52.4% – among western men unaware of their fertility."
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeand...estern-men-have-halved-in-last-40-years-study
Laptops overheating the gonads, Mobile phones in pockets doing likewise. Too much processed food. Not enough of meat and two veg :)
 

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Apparently obesity and impotence are sometimes linked,
 

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Interestingly, it's coinciding with obesity going off the scale in many western countries and increasingly in developing countries as people adopt a more sugar and processed food laden diet.

We are also being exposed to a hell of a lot of potential toxic and increasingly complex chemicals. There are known issues with certain plastics leaching chemicals that mimic hormones for example.

I think we're potentially going to be regretting much of the "disposable everything" era.

We can't really go on just assuming that because it's profitable, it's an acceptable risk.
 

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Interestingly, it's coinciding with obesity going off the scale in many western countries and increasingly in developing countries as people adopt a more sugar and processed food laden diet.

We are also being exposed to a hell of a lot of potential toxic and increasingly complex chemicals. There are known issues with certain plastics leaching chemicals that mimic hormones for example.

I think we're potentially going to be regretting much of the "disposable everything" era.

We can't really go on just assuming that because it's profitable, it's an acceptable risk.
That, unfortunately will depend on how much profit is being made. Monsanto, makers of glyphosphate, was purchased by Bayer for 66bn a year ago. When you have spent that sort of money then you are going to do your damnedest to look after your investment in the halls of congress and corridors of Brussels.
 

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It's likely to be a combination of many factors (environmental and lifestyle related).

A 50% decrease is enormous and we really need to look at the potential implications of this.

A focus on men's health and research into establishing why this is happening is something that really needs to be looked at asap. Thing is, there's no profit to be made in doing so.
 

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Seems that white societies are the most affected. And I surmise it is because of female hormones in the water supply because of oral contraception.
That was among my first thoughts.

I'm a chemist (drug delivery) and I've been banging-on about this for years to no avail, as there have been no studies performed, but drinking oestrogen in your tea/water from purification plants located below sewage treatment plants, however many miles upstream, is a definite possibility.
My own research tells me that water treatment will not remove enzymes like oestrogen, which is introduced into sewage from females taking the contraceptive pill in relatively large quantities and which can survive intact over long periods in the environment.
 

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That was among my first thoughts.

I'm a chemist (drug delivery) and I've been banging-on about this for years to no avail, as there have been no studies performed, but drinking oestrogen in your tea/water from purification plants located below sewage treatment plants, however many miles upstream, is a definite possibility.
My own research tells me that water treatment will not remove enzymes like oestrogen, which is introduced into sewage from females taking the contraceptive pill in relatively large quantities and which can survive intact over long periods in the environment.
Surely drinking water can and is tested for these sorts of levels?
 

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Surely drinking water can and is tested for these sorts of levels?
It can, but nobody is interested as far as I can tell, having been laughed out of a meeting about our local water treatment.
 

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That was among my first thoughts.

I'm a chemist (drug delivery) and I've been banging-on about this for years to no avail, as there have been no studies performed, but drinking oestrogen in your tea/water from purification plants located below sewage treatment plants, however many miles upstream, is a definite possibility.
My own research tells me that water treatment will not remove enzymes like oestrogen, which is introduced into sewage from females taking the contraceptive pill in relatively large quantities and which can survive intact over long periods in the environment.
Interesting theory.
 

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It can, but nobody is interested as far as I can tell, having been laughed out of a meeting about our local water treatment.
So drinking water isn't regularly tested for these hormones?
 

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So drinking water isn't regularly tested for these hormones?
Water is tested once a month here by mass spectrometry, I got a reading once to show a chem trailer that there are no elevated levels of aluminium and bromide in our reservoirs, you would think high levels of estrogen would be detected.
 

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So drinking water isn't regularly tested for these hormones?
If not, they should be.

I understand that Japan has banned oral contraceptives (maybe that has now changed). I wonder if there is a reduction in sperm count there.
 

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So drinking water isn't regularly tested for these hormones?
Not unless they have recently started.

Water is tested, but only for whatever they are looking out for (bacteria, toxic chemicals etc.)
 

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The microwave smog we are creating is another possibility, but let's not talk about that eh!

So is:
The increased use of composting in western gardens
Changes in the ingredients in asphalt in road building
The use of artificial colouring in sweets
Neonicotinoids
Increased access to porn
Reduced male self-confidence
Mercury
The bog fires in Indonesia
The decline of religion
Radiation from computer screens
The use of low wattage lights
The increased use of sandals without socks
Contrails
The travails of the red squirrel
Oestrogen-like chemicals in the water
Bottled water
Nuclear power
 

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Water is tested once a month here by mass spectrometry, I got a reading once to show a chem trailer that there are no elevated levels of aluminium and bromide in our reservoirs, you would think high levels of estrogen would be detected.
Mass spectrometry is an incredibly powerful analysis tool, it could easily detect oestrogen but again, they have to be looking for it. And there are cheaper ways to detect oestrogen, I imagine, such as by using an enzyme assay. MS is extremely expensive apparatus.
 

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The world is overpopulated already, so it's hardly a bad thing. There's plenty of people in Africa and Asia who'll happily replace the declining population in western countries. If only we could send bigots the other way.
It would be better for overpopulation if it was the westerners and Chinese who had gazillions of swimmers and the South Asians/Africans who didn't.
 

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So is:
The increased use of composting in western gardens
Changes in the ingredients in asphalt in road building
The use of artificial colouring in sweets
Neonicotinoids
Increased access to porn
Reduced male self-confidence
Mercury
The bog fires in Indonesia
The decline of religion
Radiation from computer screens
The use of low wattage lights
The increased use of sandals without socks
Contrails
The travails of the red squirrel
Oestrogen-like chemicals in the water
Bottled water
Nuclear power
My money is on having to listen to sh!te from cranks like Mad Fish.
 


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