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Sexual harassment website for shaming harassing males


Patslatt1

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See Ireland has highest level of claimed sexual harassment in Europe
Females subject to sexual harassment and witnesses should use their mobile phones to create videos for postings to a sexual harassment website to shame the harassing males. This woiuld be a digital equivalent of medieval village stocks.
Under freedom of speech laws, verbal sexual harassment would be difficult to outlaw barring a stalking harassment.
In the workplace where employers fail to respond to an employee's complaint, one response would be to write detailed notes of incidents of harassment in a diary and show a copy of the diary to the management. The employee may also need to remind management that the notes could be used as a basis for a solicitor's letter of complaint and possible legal action on employment conditions that would be bad public relations.
 
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See Ireland has highest level of claimed sexual harassment in Europe subject to sexual harassment and witnesses should use their mobile phones to create videos for postings to a sexual harassment website to shame the harassing males.
Under freedom of speech laws, verbal sexual harassment would be difficult to outlaw barring a stalking harassment.
In the workplace where employers fail to respond to an employee's complaint, one response would be to write detailed notes of incidents of harassment in a diary and show a copy of the diary to the management. The employee may also need to remind management that the notes could be used as a basis for a solicitor's letter of complaint and possible legal action on employment conditions that would be bad public relations.
As if people won't abuse this :ROFLMAO:
 

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See Ireland has highest level of claimed sexual harassment in Europe subject to sexual harassment and witnesses should use their mobile phones to create videos for postings to a sexual harassment website to shame the harassing males.
Under freedom of speech laws, verbal sexual harassment would be difficult to outlaw barring a stalking harassment.
In the workplace where employers fail to respond to an employee's complaint, one response would be to write detailed notes of incidents of harassment in a diary and show a copy of the diary to the management. The employee may also need to remind management that the notes could be used as a basis for a solicitor's letter of complaint and possible legal action on employment conditions that would be bad public relations.
Are there not laws in place to deal with this? Social media should not be used to accuse anyone of criminal activity. It happens far too often.
 

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How? The voice would have to be technically altered in a way that would deceive a lip reader of the video which few people could do.
Do you seriously think keeping the identity of the accuser secret would stop people from making false accusations?
What about the accused, would their identities be revealed?
 

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Do you seriously think keeping the identity of the accuser secret would stop people from making false accusations?
What about the accused, would their identities be revealed?
This is so open to abuse. It is just plain wrong. There are proper channels for dealing with harassment.
 

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Do you seriously think keeping the identity of the accuser secret would stop people from making false accusations?
What about the accused, would their identities be revealed?
Reminds me of the rape case in Belfast last year where the accused's names were spread around the media, but the accuser cannot be named.
It also goes against natural justice, where you are entitled to know what you are accused of, and by who.
 

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Do you seriously think keeping the identity of the accuser secret would stop people from making false accusations?
What about the accused, would their identities be revealed?
If the male is engaged in innocent flirtation, it will be evident in the video. The identity of the accused may be revealed. The accuser could protect against libel by asking in the video if the wiewer thinks this is appropriate behaviour.
 

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Reminds me of the rape case in Belfast last year where the accused's names were spread around the media, but the accuser cannot be named.
It also goes against natural justice, where you are entitled to know what you are accused of, and by who.
This is an incorrect comparison. The viewers of the video can judge for themselves if the behaviour is appropriate and civilised.
 

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I think if a website is hosted in Ireland, Irish defamation laws probably apply to it.
 

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This is so open to abuse. It is just plain wrong. There are proper channels for dealing with harassment.
It's very hard to deal with verbal harassment under freedom of speech law and the custom of innocent approaches and flirtations. The dividing line between innocent approaches and harassment is easy to identify when seen but can be hard to prove in evidence.
 

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I think if a website is hosted in Ireland, Irish defamation laws probably apply to it.
The person posting wouldn't be engaging in a libelous act but may need to ask viewers to judge impartially. The male in the video would suffer reputational risk from his own words and acts.
 

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It's very hard to deal with verbal harassment under freedom of speech law and the custom of innocent approaches and flirtations. The dividing line between innocent approaches and harassment is easy to identify when seen but can be hard to prove in evidence.
The creation of a website to stop sexual harassment will inevitably be used by all sorts of deranged lunatics and otherwise evil people carrying all sort of grudges. The internet is an online wild west.
I think if a website is hosted in Ireland, Irish defamation laws probably apply to it.
People are defamed on the internet regularly by penniless idiots who are not worth suing.
 

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If the male is engaged in innocent flirtation, it will be evident in the video. The identity of the accused may be revealed. The accuser could protect against libel by asking in the video if the wiewer thinks this is appropriate behaviour.
Male?, Why are you gendering this, and who decides what constitutes flirtation?
This is beginning to sound like a mob court aimed squarely at men and open to all kinds of abuse.
 

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Male?, Why are you gendering this, and who decides what constitutes flirtation?
This is beginning to sound like a mob court aimed squarely at men and open to all kinds of abuse.
You hit the nail on the head there.

Such a site would become a mutual appreciation group for cranks and weirdos who can't go through a full day without the need to feel aggrieved and offended over some perceived transgression.
 

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Male?, Why are you gendering this, and who decides what constitutes flirtation?
This is beginning to sound like a mob court aimed squarely at men and open to all kinds of abuse.
So you have seen lots of females engaging in sexual harassment even though almost nobody else sees it? In a public video, the viewers can judge for themselves. It isn't a courthouse where a harassing male can be convicted of a crime, hence there is no need for laborious rules of evidence.
 

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You hit the nail on the head there.

Such a site would become a mutual appreciation group for cranks and weirdos who can't go through a full day without the need to feel aggrieved and offended over some perceived transgression.
How would they compose a video to make the alleged harassing male look bad if he was innocent? Get him to pretend he was making an amateur drama?
 

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Lots of couples meet at work. If a successful man has a hot young secretary , he may want sex with her and that’s normal, she may play the long game and want marriage, the house , kids in private school etc it serves both , however sites like this make it more difficult as if she rejects him she may paint it as harassment. She should record any harassment and go to the gardai with it.
 

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Lots of couples meet at work. If a successful man has a hot young secretary , he may want sex with her and that’s normal, she may play the long game and want marriage, the house , kids in private school etc it serves both , however sites like this make it more difficult as if she rejects him she may paint it as harassment. She should record any harassment and go to the gardai with it.
Sexual harassment isn't a criminal matter. There's sod all the Gardai can do about it. If it's sexual harassment in the workplace, she may have a civil cause of action against her employer, but not a criminal case.

And of course if it happens outside the workplace, short of straying into assault or harassment under the Non-Fatal Offences Against the Person Act (which requires an established pattern of behaviour and so does not include most incidences of sexual harassment experienced) there is no legal protection whatsoever.

So what the OP is suggesting that if someone is engaging in lawful but unacceptable behaviour, it is legitimate for those affected by that behaviour to record the behaviour and upload it online. No defamation implications - what is being uploaded would always have the defence of truth because it is a recording of the behaviour (barring any fringe cases where videos are doctored etc but that doesn't seem like a major risk, and certainly not one that isn't already a risk).
 

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I think the operative word here is ''claimed''. I'd tend to take a lot of this stuff with a very large pinch of salt. I'm a woman and I'm really concerned at the cult of victim hood that many women but mostly under 30's women are reveling in. It's like it's somehow become trendy to be a ''victim'' and a lot of what is labelled as harassment is laughable.

I would suggest that if they want to see what actual sexual harassment, patriarchy and misogyny looks like they should watch something like Madmen to put things in perspective. Actual harassment does happen but not on a large scale. Most men are decent individuals who don't harass anyone. Men are not the enemy, 3rd wave feminazis with daddy issues who couldn't get laid without paying for it are the enemy.
 

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