SF councillor sneers at the bereaved

Fr.Ted Crilly

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I'm sure she's a very nice person but that's not the point. I don't believe in nepotism in politics, in any party. I'd feel the same if it was FF, Labour or SF. It's wrong and should be banned.
If nepotism was banned here there'd be a massive spike in the unemployment figures.
FG/Lab are masters of the art of nepotism.
 


sadmal

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It was Shane McEntees brother put forward the idea that he was hounded to death by anonymous social media hate mail? And then they backed away from the idea, but still acknowledged that it was in fact a factor in his death?

I've actually done a bit of research on the issue of the difference between Hate Speech and Free Speech. Now my understanding is that a Dublin Bus Driver was the first person to be convicted of Hate Speech in 2000 because he told a Ghanian national that he was a nig-nog. *

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In Ireland, the right to free speech is guaranteed under the Constitution (Article 40.6.1.i), however, this is only an implied right provided that liberty of expression "shall not be used to undermine public order or morality or the authority of the State"

The Prohibition of Incitement to Hatred Act 1989, proscribes words or behaviours which are "threatening, abusive or insulting and are intended or, having regard to all the circumstances, are likely to stir up hatred" against "a group of persons in the State or elsewhere on account of their race, colour, nationality, religion, ethnic or national origins, membership of the travelling community or sexual orientation."

A Dublin bus driver convicted under the Incitement to Hatred Act following remarks he made to a Gambian man, has been fined £900 and told that he must liase with the probation services for a year. Gerry O'Grady, a driver for 18 years, told a Gambian man earlier this year to go back to his own country. He is the first person to be convicted under the anti-racial laws.
When Matthew John boarded the 66 bus in May last year, driver Gerry O’Grady told him that he could not eat on it, that we do not eat on buses in this country and to go back to where he came from. Two other witnesses claimed that he used the term 'nig-nog'.


Incitement to hatred is therefore deemed not only to be wrong, but Illegal. It's against the Law to openly refere to someone as a nig-nog..

Incitement to hatred speech also covers other groups. Such as "a group of persons in the State or elsewhere on account of their race, colour, nationality, religion, ethnic or national origins, membership of the travelling community or sexual orientation."

Common sense would tell anyone that it's wrong to call a gay person a faggot.. Common sense would tell anyone that it's wrong to call a Traveller a knacker..

The Law also says that it is in fact Illegal. Even if those who engage in it, are in fact solicitors, barristers and mickey mouse lawyers..

That is the Law on Incitement to Hatred. Either Shane McEntees brother is a total liar, or FG need to show us what Hate Speech was a contributing factor to his death..
Not sure if it was the social media his brother complained about. It was the e-mails and calls he received from carers and others concerned about the cuts to allowances paid to people with disabilities. Some were probably abusive and upsetting and maybe that was a factor. Who knows?
 

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Anti-suicide ticket? First i heard of that, thought she stood for FG and anyway it would be the wrong party if that was her motivation.
I'd've actually given the woman my No.2 on the strength of that alone.. But then again, I'm soft in the head..
 

cathalbrugha

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Not sure if it was the social media his brother complained about. It was the e-mails and calls he received from carers and others concerned about the cuts to allowances paid to people with disabilities. Some were probably abusive and upsetting and maybe that was a factor. Who knows?
Probably abusive and upsetting? I hate everything FG represent.. But ffs is that the best that the opposition and the left can come up with?

A Nation of Bird O'Donnells? Left/Right, Capitalism/Socialism goes out the window as far as I'm concerned.. It's cowardice to hound someone to their death like that.. imho..
 

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I agree he shouldn't have brought the family into it. But I stand by the sentiment....

She's a TD now (well, on Tuesday) and she will be exposed to everything that the job entails. If that's not something she can handle she maybe should've given running for the seat a bit more thought.

FG have sought to have it both ways with this issue.... first her father took his own life because of online bullying and abuse. Then, they run his 26 year old Daughter three months after his death. Then, they use online media to generate a story after the election.
The YFG statement is a disgraceful piece that uses Shane McEntee's suicide as a political shield for his Daughter.

It's quite frankly disgusting....
I would have thought it pretty obvious that it is Morris with his statement that generated a story after the election.
 

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I would have thought it pretty obvious that it is Morris with his statement that generated a story after the election.
His comments were dated before the election.... from the link in the OP.

The comment, posted to his personal Facebook page before last month’s by-election in Meath East
YoungFG/FG only chose to make an issue of it after the election. They didn't want to use the words "bereaved" or "grieving" during the campaign....

They're happy enough to use them now though....
 
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I'm sure she's a very nice person but that's not the point. I don't believe in nepotism in politics, in any party. I'd feel the same if it was FF, Labour or SF. It's wrong and should be banned.
Can you please propose the wording of such a statute?
 

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Can you please propose the wording of such a statute?
It's morally wrong and there should be a referendum to ask the people if they think it's acceptable.

There should be a a period of time before a family member is allowed to run if either a TD dies or steps down. You could say that they are not allowed to run in the bye-election but can in the next GE if they still feel strongly about becoming a politician. It's quite amazing how the death of a family member who is a TD or the stepping down of one brings out the politician in many.... gas.

Helen McEntee has repeated said she has always wanted to be a politician, despite going into banking after college. If she was so eager to be a politician, I'm sure a couple of years wait wouldn't bother her....
 


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