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SF release statement concerning criminality

rockofcashel

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May as well start this thread before one of the Anti-Shinners do, so...

What are peoples opinions on the statement released by Sinn Fein which says that todays hijacking of a lorry load of vodka in Meath is regarded by the party as "criminality", and should be dealt with through the Gardai and the Courts
 


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This is an interesting one.

If they WERE IRA members, and the hyjack was not orderd by the IRA, and these guys get locked up, will the IRA condem them?
 

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Yeah, what the IRA might say is more interesting. SF has the ability to speak with forked tongues on this, but if the IRA came out and explicitly authorised the Gardai and the courts that would be something
 

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But if the IRA don't say anything at all about it, should it impact on SF ?
 

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CJH said:
Yeah, what the IRA might say is more interesting. SF has the ability to speak with forked tongues on this, but if the IRA came out and explicitly authorised the Gardai and the courts that would be something
That's a new one on me : The IRA "authorising " the Gardaí,explicitly or not.
 

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rockofcashel said:
But if the IRA don't say anything at all about it, should it impact on SF ?
No, it would reflect badly on the IRA tho, if they are not distancing them selvs from criminals.
 

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But what would an IMC report say about the affair, and would that impact on SF.

What would be the governments response to the DUP who wished to make an issue of it ?
 

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If the IMC said it was not IRA directed I'd love to see the DUP come up with an answer to that.
 

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So everytime a lorry load of vodka or fags gets knocked off the IRA has to make a statement condemning it and saying the Gardai should deal with it?

:roll:
 

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It certainly reflects badly on the calibre of people who signed up to "the Army".

The more senior the volunteers were (are?), the more it makes the IRA look like a group prone to common criminality.

And of course the IRA aren't responsible for the unauthorised jaunts of its members. But the IRA probably brought these men together and certainly provided training. They've got something to answer for.
 

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ireland2004 said:
So everytime a lorry load of vodka or fags gets knocked off the IRA has to make a statement condemning it and saying the Gardai should deal with it?

:roll:
Good point actually.

Maybe wait for the IMC to say something?

What if, Northern Bank style, cops say there was IRA involvement but there actually wasnt
Woudln't that give the DUP yet another :roll: excuse?
 

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Libero said:
It certainly reflects badly on the calibre of people who signed up to "the Army".

The more senior the volunteers were (are?), the more it makes the IRA look like a group prone to common criminality.

And of course the IRA aren't responsible for the unauthorised jaunts of its members. But the IRA probably brought these men together and certainly provided training. They've got something to answer for.
If we were to go down that road Libero (and quite frankly its a pretty damn stupid road to go down), I could also make the argument that the particular member involved was released under the GFA in 1998, and here, 6 years later, he seems to be the first member ever involved in a criminal act.

1 person in 6 years. I'd consider that to be a very good indicator that members of the IRA are not a group "prone to common criminality" as you say so yourself.

Wouldn't you if you actually thought about it ?
 

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It does however give lie to the assertion that "Republicans cannot be criminals". Because here we have republicans, who are criminals.
 
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meriwether said:
It does however give lie to the assertion that "Republicans cannot be criminals". Because here we have republicans, who are criminals.
If they attempted to rob that lorry for their own personal gain, then they have ceased to be republicans.
 

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Cormac Donaghey said:
meriwether said:
It does however give lie to the assertion that "Republicans cannot be criminals". Because here we have republicans, who are criminals.
If they attempted to rob that lorry for their own personal gain, then they have ceased to be republicans.
But if it was for the Provisional IRA's gain, or fact that matter any paramilitary 'Republican' grouping, they would still be republicans?

How serious must the criminal act be before it stops one being a republicans?
 

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ireland2004 said:
So everytime a lorry load of vodka or fags gets knocked off the IRA has to make a statement condemning it and saying the Gardai should deal with it?

:roll:
yes if they are involved, and we all know they are
 

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ireland2004 said:
Libero said:
It certainly reflects badly on the calibre of people who signed up to "the Army".
What does?
The fact that they are intimidating, embezzling, extorting, robbing, murdering, wizel word b*stards
 

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rockofcashel said:
May as well start this thread before one of the Anti-Shinners do, so...

What are peoples opinions on the statement released by Sinn Fein which says that todays hijacking of a lorry load of vodka in Meath is regarded by the party as "criminality", and should be dealt with through the Gardai and the Courts
Firstly what was the full statement. Secondly is PSF presuming it was an act for personal gain, given the speed of the statements release, or is it relying on the Gardai's word to say that it is.
 

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According to the Gardaí three FORMER members of the IRA were arrested. Now tell me how the IRA, let alone SF, can be responsible for the actions of former members? :?

Even Michael Mc is sounding cautious. :shock:
 


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