SF up, FG down in latest poll

flavirostris

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Kneecappers nipping at Mehole's heels. Pressure on in FF
 


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SF were up to the mid 20s in 2014 under Adams.

All SF are going to do in government is tell the long term unemployed to go back to education.
Whats wrong with education....?....better all round for the country to have well educated and skilled people than the short term future and uncertainty of working for some scumbag sub-contractor.....:)

Its no surprise that the right wing conservatives are consistantly trying to undermine and underfund the education systems in western democracies....

Anyways the gubbermint is going to let everyone in who says they are construction workers .. i wonder will the insurance companies when quoting public liability costs to firms start asking for paperwork to prove this is the case or is that already one of the reasons why we are seeing a lack of so called 'skilled workers' as of late...?
 

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Sol/PBP seem to be stuck in the anti-Sinn Féin groove, as can be seen from this thread.

If they followed a more united left approach, while accepting that each element has its own policies and ethos, they might do better.
Trots don't do united approach.
 

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Meholes personal satisfaction is DOWN.

I cannot see how that would be.

He hasn`t done anything since the last poll.
 

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Yep but SF's gain is in both Core and the inflated version. That's the worrying thing for FF in that it may not be an artefact of the sampling like FF's and Labour's "gain" of 1%.
I've seen varying definitions of core vote. I presume that in this context, it means those who will vote for a party "no matter what".
 

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Meholes personal satisfaction is DOWN.

I cannot see how that would be.

He hasn`t done anything since the last poll.
He's told the FFers some home truths, especially the implied one about their being unlikely to be the largest party any time soon. They don't like that.
 

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I think there is a slight rise in nationalism as a result of Trump,Syria fake news and this has reflected positively upon Sinn Fein .Maybe the Lord mayors visit to Palestine had a positive impact. When the fat lady sings, there is not much in it ,same odl, same old.
 

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SF were up to the mid 20s in 2014 under Adams.

All SF are going to do in government is tell the long term unemployed to go back to education.
What's so bad about the long-term unemployed returning to education and training?
 

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I think there is a slight rise in nationalism as a result of Trump,Syria fake news and this has reflected positively upon Sinn Fein .Maybe the Lord mayors visit to Palestine had a positive impact. When the fat lady sings, there is not much in it ,same odl, same old.
To be brutally honest, nobody really gives a f*ck about Palestine and they are just using it to virtue signal. The real danger for FF and SF is that they are going to be caught on the wrong side of things if there is a move towards a nationalist populist movement in Ireland. All that virtue signalling about illegal immigrants and bogus asylum seekers isn't count for much when the core votes have to compete with such parasitical activity for housing, education and health services. They have become an easy target for gaining votes. Look at how things are shifting in Kilkenny and Lisdoonvarna and how some politicians are already moving away from the happy-clappy virtue signalling angle.
 

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What's so bad about the long-term unemployed returning to education and training?
They will be able to compete with PBP's back of a cornflake packet degree in the workplace and get better jobs with higher salaries? :)
 

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Things looking bad for Captain Slaphead of the FF Titanic. The iceberg of SF is looming. Even though FF has gained a point, the drift towards "respectability" under Mary Lou is making SF a major threat to FF's recovery. If FF does not wield the axe on Naughten, it is going to lose a major opportunity to present itself as a party with some sense of ethics. As for Labour, Brendan Who?
Mary Mac is DNA FF

- and its that way things will drift.....
 

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Mary Mac is DNA FF

- and its that way things will drift.....
Yep. And now FF is becoming the new SDLP. She'd have been far better as leader of FF rather than Captain Slaphead of the FF Titanic. :)
 

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Maybe FF will wake up and kick out Meehaul 'the developers money is just resting in the wife's bank account' Martin......
 

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Maybe FF will wake up and kick out Meehaul 'the developers money is just resting in the wife's bank account' Martin......
This is a possibility. There are some in FF who seem to want to get rid of Captain Slaphead of the FF Titanic as he is costing them votes by making FF and FG indistinguishable to the electorate. He's Labouricising FF.
 

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Sol/PBP - 2% (NC)
Though it might appear small, that vote is highly concentrated and seems to get more seats than its national representation would imply. The problem for Labour under Brendan Who is that it has no such ideological support base and it is now completely dependent on personal votes. When those Labour lifers resign, rather than contest elections that they will probably lose, their personal vote disappears with them.
 

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Poll was over Monday and Tuesday of this week so it may not have captured the real impact of the Naughten/FG fiasco. MoE is +/- 2.8% so impact on FG is valid.

Cores should be more worrying:
" Fine Gael 24 per cent (down two); Fianna Fáil 21 per cent (up one); Labour 4 per cent (up one); Sinn Féin 18 per cent (up three); Independents/Others 12 per cent (down three).

Undecided voters were at 21 per cent, unchanged since the last poll"

That's a big gain for SF.
Based on those numbers then it could really be a toss up between who is the largest party after the next GE.

FG were averaging 31% heading into the last GE so anything could happen. Michael is a seasoned politician and has been a party leader during a GE before. I wouldn’t underestimate him. While Varadkar has shown he is more than capable of making gaffs.

So much for Varadkar would save FG and they would poll 36% :lol:
 

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They all variations on a theme really

- its underlying POV is Neo Liberal Globalism

There is no Irish Nationalist Party left within the Dáil
 

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Based on those numbers then it could really be a toss up between who is the largest party after the next GE.
Yep. The 21% floating vote is still the major problem for these parties.

FG were averaging 31% heading into the last GE so anything could happen. Michael is a seasoned politician and has been a party leader during a GE before. I wouldn’t underestimate him. While Varadkar has shown he is more than capable of making gaffs.
Varadkar has taken Bertie Ahern's "presidential" style of leadership and used it well. Martin is just playing 2006 style populist politics and failing badly because of his Montgomery Burns image. He's yesterday's man finding hard to cope with today's politics in an election that could be called tomorrow. This is very dangerous territory for FF as it could let SF overtake them.
 

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Though it might appear small, that vote is highly concentrated and seems to get more seats than its national representation would imply. The problem for Labour under Brendan Who is that it has no such ideological support base and it is now completely dependent on personal votes. When those Labour lifers resign, rather than contest elections that they will probably lose, their personal vote disappears with them.
Too many Labour TDs being are old, male and stale. They need a clear out.

However, Sol/PBP are now doing well in polls to hit 2% which is half what they got in the 2016 Dáil election. So, even relative to the 2016 vote, they're doing worse than Labour.
 


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