Shameful treatment of Irishmen who fought Hitler and Nazis

Tomas Mor

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In another shameful piece of our history Mark Hennessy (Saturday Irish Times 6th. Nov) told us about the disgraceful treatment of Irish soldiers who left Irish army to join British Army to fight the Nazis. When the war was over the were treated disgracefully and De Valera made sure they did not get any sort of state job, no matter how small. This is another dark period in our history, when taken along with Dev's visit to German Legation to sympathise on the death of Hitler, and of the course the IRA frolics with the Fuehrer deserves outright condemnation.

http:// of the forgotten stories of the conflict, 5,000 men who deserted the Irish Defence Forces faced a heavy penalty at war’s end, says a new book, writes MARK HENNESSY London Editor.
 


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In another shameful piece of our history Mark Hennessy (Saturday Irish Times 6th. Nov) told us about the disgraceful treatment of Irish soldiers who left Irish army to join British Army to fight the Nazis. When the war was over the were treated disgracefully and De Valera made sure they did not get any sort of state job, no matter how small. This is another dark period in our history, when taken along with Dev's visit to German Legation to sympathise on the death of Hitler, and of the course the IRA frolics with the Fuehrer deserves outright condemnation.

http:// of the forgotten stories of the conflict, 5,000 men who deserted the Irish Defence Forces faced a heavy penalty at war’s end, says a new book, writes MARK HENNESSY London Editor.


Theres a thread on this already http://www.politics.ie/history/142160-price-fighting-second-world-war.html
 

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It's all in here:-

Heroism and betrayal

The point being that those who deserted and stayed in Ireland were unaffected by their desertion whereas those who fought fascism were courtmartialled and boycotted afterwards by the state.
 

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They fought for a foreign army. They betrayed this country.
 

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In another shameful piece of our history Mark Hennessy (Saturday Irish Times 6th. Nov) told us about the disgraceful treatment of Irish soldiers who left Irish army to join British Army to fight the Nazis. When the war was over the were treated disgracefully and De Valera made sure they did not get any sort of state job, no matter how small. This is another dark period in our history, when taken along with Dev's visit to German Legation to sympathise on the death of Hitler, and of the course the IRA frolics with the Fuehrer deserves outright condemnation.

http:// of the forgotten stories of the conflict, 5,000 men who deserted the Irish Defence Forces faced a heavy penalty at war’s end, says a new book, writes MARK HENNESSY London Editor.

If the free state army was a proper army, they would have been shot for desertion.
 

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They fought for a foreign army. They betrayed this country.
This country betrayed its founding principles by making a short term decision to protest partition by refusing to acknowledge a common enemy. An enemy which, by the way, was recognised for what it was by those republicans who went to fight Franco.
 

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If the free state army was a proper army, they would have been shot for desertion.
Uh....Cael there was more at stake during WWII than little old Ireland.

Surely the reasons people went should be taken into consideration?
 

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Gombeen mentality. They fought to defeat Nazism.

Are you a neo-Nazi sympathiser?
If you recognise the free state as a legitimate state, and the free state army as a legitimate army, then private citizens are not at liberty to break a neutrality policy, and soldiers are not at liberty to desert.
 

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If the free state army was a proper army, they would have been shot for desertion.
Genau! Exactly! And whats worse these cowardly deserters are probably on a €1000 monthly pension.
 

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This country betrayed its founding principles by making a short term decision to protest partition by refusing to acknowledge a common enemy. An enemy which, by the way, was recognised for what it was by those republicans who went to fight Franco.
You should know by now how parochial the Irish are in general.
 

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Uh....Cael there was more at stake during WWII than little old Ireland.

Surely the reasons people went should be taken into consideration?
This is one of the posts that marks you out as being one of the saner 'republicans', although you do yourself have your moments, but then, don't we all.
 

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does any 'beak' out there know if there is a statue of limitations for deserting the Defense Forces?
 

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Uh....Cael there was more at stake during WWII than little old Ireland.

Surely the reasons people went should be taken into consideration?
As you know, I dont regard the free state as legitimate, and I dont regard the the free state army as legitimate. As has been said - maybe by yourself, I cant remember - Irish Republicans fought the Fascists while the free state and the Catholic church cavorted with them.

My point is that Irish Republicans have always suffered death, torture and imprisonment for their beliefs - and here we have these free state deserters compaining that they couldnt join the civil service as punishment. What a joke!!
 

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In the Spainish civil war. And I might add, that at this time the British state and the British Legion were cavorting and colluding with the Nazis and the Fascists of all sorts.
 

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In the Spainish civil war. And I might add, that at this time the British state and the British Legion were cavorting and colluding with the Nazis and the Fascists of all sorts.
Some republicans fought in the Spanish Civil War - but they were a minority in the republican movement surely ? Or would you say that only the republican congress were legitimate repoublicans and the mainstream IRA were fascist sympathisers ?

If you had been around at the time would you have turned your back on the church ?
 

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Uh....Cael there was more at stake during WWII than little old Ireland.

Surely the reasons people went should be taken into consideration?
What exactly do you mean Seven. Britain and France did not enter the war until their ally Poland was attacked. The Soviet Union entered the war when it was invaded by Germany and the United States entered when Japan attacked Pear Harbour. Little old Ireland here had nothing to do with the power games between the big powers. These men deserted their posts in the Irish Army during a period of possible invasion of Ireland by either the Axis or Allied forces. These men should have been shot or jailed for treason on their return to Ireland.
 


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