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Sherlock: EU patent referendum planned


Dame_Enda

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Minister Sean Sherlock has announced Ireland is to hold a referendum on the creation of the EU Patents court.
euobserver.com said:
The court is to rule on disputes and is part of the wider setting-up of a single patent system in 25 EU member states.
How would you vote on this?

For me this will come down partly to the question of whether it brings cheaper generic drugs to Ireland, or rolls back generic drugs in Europe. We need an honest debate on this. Are the pharmaceutical industry lobbying for this or against it? In the UK, generic drugs have an 80% penetration rate, compared to perhaps 5% here.

Against that, EU-wide patents would provide greatly expanded incentives for innovation, as companies across the EU would have to pay inventors for using their technology.
 


off with their heads

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sean sherlock is just disgusting the righteous indignation out of him at times is just sickening:mad:
 

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Minister Sean Sherlock has announced Ireland is to hold a referendum on the creation of the EU Patents court.How would you vote on this?

For me this will come down partly to the question of whether it brings cheaper generic drugs to Ireland, or rolls back generic drugs in Europe. We need an honest debate on this. Are the pharmaceutical industry lobbying for this or against it? In the UK, generic drugs have an 80% penetration rate, compared to perhaps 5% here.

Against that, EU-wide patents would provide greatly expanded incentives for innovation, as companies across the EU would have to pay inventors for using their technology.
Patents, generally, don't encourage innovation.
 

seabhcan

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Minister Sean Sherlock has announced Ireland is to hold a referendum on the creation of the EU Patents court.How would you vote on this?

For me this will come down partly to the question of whether it brings cheaper generic drugs to Ireland, or rolls back generic drugs in Europe. We need an honest debate on this. Are the pharmaceutical industry lobbying for this or against it? In the UK, generic drugs have an 80% penetration rate, compared to perhaps 5% here.

Against that, EU-wide patents would provide greatly expanded incentives for innovation, as companies across the EU would have to pay inventors for using their technology.
Why do we need a referendum?

The EU patent system is miles better than the US system, but there is still a lot of idiocy. The original requirement - that an 'invention' be novel - has been forgotten and the result is gigantic companies fighting over who owns rectangles. Last year more money was spent on legal fees fighting mobile phone patent battles than was invested in mobile phone R&D. Thats a sure sign of a broken system.
 

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Why do we need a referendum?

The EU patent system is miles better than the US system, but there is still a lot of idiocy. The original requirement - that an 'invention' be novel - has been forgotten and the result is gigantic companies fighting over who owns rectangles. Last year more money was spent on legal fees fighting mobile phone patent battles than was invested in mobile phone R&D. Thats a sure sign of a broken system.
Ask Sherlock why its necessary. I welcome it as a proponent of direct democracy. Perhaps it has something to do with property-rights in the Constitution?

James0001 patents can encourage innovation by providing recompense for cash strapped inventors to recover their investment and profit on it. Ive read recently about how the FDA refused permission for an anti-aging drug in the US because it couldn't afford the patent. I hope we avoid making them prohibitively expensive here though.
 

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A referendum on a patents court ? WTF? They will have to explain very carefully why this is needed or it will be rejected.
 

seabhcan

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James0001 patents can encourage innovation by providing recompense for cash strapped inventors to recover their investment and profit on it. Ive read recently about how the FDA refused permission for an anti-aging drug in the US because it couldn't afford the patent. I hope we avoid making them prohibitively expensive here though.
The vast, vast majority of patents are taken by huge companies. But a patent is only useful if you have the legal budget to defend it. The average patent case costs €1m in legal fees. Small inventors can't pay that, so their patents are basically worthless. Big companies ignore patents by small guys.
 

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I'm going to find out what Shatter is recommending and then I'm going to do the opposite.
 

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Originally Posted by euobserver.com
The court is to rule on disputes and is part of the wider setting-up of a single patent system in 25 EU member states.

Why is it only in 25 EU member states?
 

Ren84

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Well this is a surprise. Why was it Sherlock making this announcement? Sounds like something Enda and Gimme standing together outside gov buildings would have wanted to announce.
 

Boy M5

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I'm going to find out what Shatter is recommending and then I'm going to do the opposite.
Probably something about replacing judges with a star chamber presided over by err Alan Joseph Shatter and us joining NATO?


At present each jurisdiction has individual patents. Having a single EU patent makes sense to me. In terms of protecting intellectual property what mkes the most sense isn't 1 patent in a number of EU jurisdictions but a family of patents. This is how most innovative companies protect their IP. So really a single EU patent should make no difference to us as consumers.
 
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MrFunkyZombaloo

I started another thread on this (apologies Dame Edna) so I'll add this here.
 

MacCoise2

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Minister Sean Sherlock has announced Ireland is to hold a referendum on the creation of the EU Patents court.How would you vote on this?

For me this will come down partly to the question of whether it brings cheaper generic drugs to Ireland, or rolls back generic drugs in Europe. We need an honest debate on this. Are the pharmaceutical industry lobbying for this or against it? In the UK, generic drugs have an 80% penetration rate, compared to perhaps 5% here.

Against that, EU-wide patents would provide greatly expanded incentives for innovation, as companies across the EU would have to pay inventors for using their technology.
That's a tiny part of the debate surely
 

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