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Shinners, not really sure Dissos are all that bad


Schomberg

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Interesting poll done by the BT at the SF conference in Mayo, showing the leadership is pretty out of touch with the grass roots and that the traditional view of a "United Ireland" seems pretty blurry thesedays

Party members were asked if an armed campaign was justified while British rule remained. Some 26pc agreed it was, while only 66pc disagreed.
That's actually pretty good I'd have thought, just 26% of Shinners think force is justifiable, but then it's somewhat contradicted by:

Only 12pc agreed with the North's Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness's statement that the dissidents were "traitors to Ireland", while 72pc disagreed.
and

ut just over a third of delegates (34pc) believed that violent dissidents were criminals and a majority (58pc) regarded them as political offenders.
Quarter of Sinn Fein members still back terrorist groups against British - Independent.ie

kinda at odds with the fluffy peace and harmony yet confused gibberish we get around this forum..
 

ruserious

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Any corresponding polls to the general public so we can make an analysis of the SF result?
 

Schomberg

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Any corresponding polls to the general public so we can make an analysis of the SF result?
The subject was SF members, so not sure what relevance the general publics opinion has?
 

ruserious

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The subject was SF members, so not sure what relevance the general publics opinion has?
Well, for example, the title says ''Shinners, not really sure..'' which is technically correct but some figures from the general public would highlight whether or not ''shinners'' are outliers in this area and thus would promote debate on the issue, rather than dealing with pretty arbitrary figures. [h=2][/h]
 

Murph

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What relevance?

it might tell us if SF is in tune with public opinion.

but if its just a another troll thread- perhaps its not relevant.
 

Ren84

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Btw, the mods should change the deliberately provocative trolling thread title.
 

Victor Meldrew

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Interesting poll done by the BT at the SF conference in Mayo, showing the leadership is pretty out of touch with the grass roots and that the traditional view of a "United Ireland" seems pretty blurry these days

kinda at odds with the fluffy peace and harmony yet confused gibberish we get around this forum..
If you attend a party ard Feis / conference you are more likely to be hardline / grass roots.

I'd imagine a poll of FG attendees on church/state and "morality" issues would be to the right of Genghis Khan, and a Poll if FF would place no blame whatsoever on Brian Lenihan and the congested Taoiseach .

As a liberal FG member , I find the Catholic right rump of the party very disturbing, and off-putting, I'd like to think the "soft" SF vote might feel the same if they read this..

They haven't gone away , you know....
 

friendlyfire

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Over 2000 people at the Ard Fheis and the sample size is 50.......irrelevant!
 

wishywashy

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Interesting poll done by the BT at the SF conference in Mayo, showing the leadership is pretty out of touch with the grass roots and that the traditional view of a "United Ireland" seems pretty blurry thesedays



That's actually pretty good I'd have thought, just 26% of Shinners think force is justifiable, but then it's somewhat contradicted by:



and



Quarter of Sinn Fein members still back terrorist groups against British - Independent.ie

kinda at odds with the fluffy peace and harmony yet confused gibberish we get around this forum..


Why is everything so 'pretty' with you?
 

Catalpast

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Interesting poll done by the BT at the SF conference in Mayo, showing the leadership is pretty out of touch with the grass roots and that the traditional view of a "United Ireland" seems pretty blurry thesedays



That's actually pretty good I'd have thought, just 26% of Shinners think force is justifiable, but then it's somewhat contradicted by:



and



Quarter of Sinn Fein members still back terrorist groups against British - Independent.ie

kinda at odds with the fluffy peace and harmony yet confused gibberish we get around this forum..
Surely these people must realise that SF is now a post Irish Republican Party

- and is now fully Internationalist.
 

diy01

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The armed campaign was fully justified.
Thousands dead, partition further entrenched, communal divisions deepened. Even after 170 years (at the time), the Provos hadn't learned. Eventually they were forced to consider alternatives. The physical force tradition is a tradition of utter failure.

Anyway, most of the demands of the civil rights movement had been met by 1971. Of course to republican hardliners it was never about reforming Northern Ireland.

Republican terrorists (and loyalist terrorists!) have a lot to answer for.
 
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statsman

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And to people who were murdered or burned out of their homes while you did what exactly ?
Well, I didn't murder anyone, for starters. One killing does not justify another.
 
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