Shopping leave - what is it and who gets it?

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Never heard of shopping leave? You haven't been paying enough attention.


The head of the Croke Park Agreement Implementation Body has expressed surprise that some public servants are still taking a half day's leave for Christmas shopping.

'Surprise' at Christmas shopping leave - RT News

RTÉ said:
Some public servants allowed a half day's leave for Christmas shopping The head of the Croke Park Agreement Implementation Body has said he is very surprised that some public servants are still taking a half day's leave for Christmas shopping with the authorisation of management.

PJ Fitzpatrick said he was taken aback that such a practice could still exist, particularly given that staff had more flexible working patterns and shops are now open for longer.

A public servant in the Patents Office in Kilkenny circulated an email this week calling on all civil servants not to avail of their entitlement to the half day's Christmas shopping leave. The email said it would be unacceptable in the current economic climate and would draw adverse media comment.

Asked by RTÉ News about how widespread such an entitlement would be across the public service, the Department of Finance said there was no formal scheme of granting shopping leave in the public service.

However, it said that dating from a time when shop opening hours were limited, it was local custom and practice in some organisations to allow some restricted grades - mainly clerical - a half day's leave for shopping in the month of December.

The Department said this was a matter for the management of the relevant organisations, but that the needs of the organisations must be taken into account.

The Department said that it does not know how many staff use Christmas shopping leave.
But you can be forgiven for not knowing about shopping leave after all:

Because there was no formal entitlement, Christmas shopping leave does not feature in the Croke Park Agreement action plans for reform and has not been costed.
Anything else in this lucky bag?
 
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Dublin Corporation employees used to get time off to go to mass on holy days of obligation, don't know if this perk still exists but heard stories some years ago about the time being taken by those of all religions and none, very little actual mass going took place.
 

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Dublin Corporation employees used to get time off to go to mass on holy days of obligation, don't know if this perk still exists but heard stories some years ago about the time being taken by those of all religions and none, very little actual mass going took place.
A little Indulgence goes a long way.
 

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Just forget about it. Stressing yourself out over the public service.

They got what they asked for. Fianna FAIL dont want to rock the boat.

No mention of the AVERAGE 12 days sick leave.
No mention usually of the cashing your cheque facility
No mention usually of average no of holidays taken.

If the private sector keep working hard, creating jobs and paying their taxes all the above is only minor.
 

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Accountability Definition: The state of being accountable; liability to be called on to render an account; the obligation to bear the consequences for failure to perform as expected; accountableness.
 

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Dublin Corporation employees used to get time off to go to mass on holy days of obligation, don't know if this perk still exists but heard stories some years ago about the time being taken by those of all religions and none, very little actual mass going took place.
some Dublin Corpo employees get time off to shop for swimming pool furniture for their holiday homes in Bulgaria and Cape Verde
 

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Just forget about it. Stressing yourself out over the public service.

They got what they asked for. Fianna FAIL dont want to rock the boat.

No mention of the AVERAGE 12 days sick leave.
No mention usually of the cashing your cheque facility
No mention usually of average no of holidays taken.

If the private sector keep working hard, creating jobs and paying their taxes all the above is only minor.
You do realise that most public servants are given a maximum of 7 uncertified sick days before their pay is docked and they are brought in in front of the boss? Also, you get a letter after you've takin 5 in any 12-month period. The 12 sick days average would entail quite a bit of certified sick leave in that case. Are you suggesting that the doctors are in on this too? Out of curiosity are there any accurate comparitive figures for the private sector? I knew of quite a few private sector workers for whom monday mornings were a blue moon occurrance.

My advice: put down the Irish Independent, stick your finger in your ear and wiggle it to try and jumpstart your brain. It obviously hasn't been ticking over in a while. The auld snow is a divil for that.
 

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some Dublin Corpo employees get time off to shop for swimming pool furniture for their holiday homes in Bulgaria and Cape Verde
I've had plenty of employers in the private sector that did the same. If you have to sell your labour every day, then you shouldn't be entitled to the same as those who are full of money and can afford to do nothing all day?
 

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You do realise that most public servants are given a maximum of 7 uncertified sick days before their pay is docked and they are brought in in front of the boss? Also, you get a letter after you've takin 5 in any 12-month period. The 12 sick days average would entail quite a bit of certified sick leave in that case. Are you suggesting that the doctors are in on this too? Out of curiosity are there any accurate comparitive figures for the private sector? I knew of quite a few private sector workers for whom monday mornings were a blue moon occurrance.
All those large accounting firms let you work whenever you feel like it so long as you get the work done...
 

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I've had plenty of employers in the private sector that did the same. If you have to sell your labour every day, then you shouldn't be entitled to the same as those who are full of money and can afford to do nothing all day?
Are you sure you were getting extra time off or simply time in lieu?
 

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All those large accounting firms let you work whenever you feel like it so long as you get the work done...
Good policy that - makes sense and it's up to the workers themselves to ensure the work gets done. The gas thing is it's clowns like the above poster that has his ill-informed, sindo-driven go at the public servants for taking a half day shopping that:
A - is part of their official working conditions, and most importantly
B - is in the VAST majority of cases, not known about or used by said public servants.
 

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You do realise that most public servants are given a maximum of 7 uncertified sick days before their pay is docked and they are brought in in front of the boss? Also, you get a letter after you've takin 5 in any 12-month period. The 12 sick days average would entail quite a bit of certified sick leave in that case. Are you suggesting that the doctors are in on this too? Out of curiosity are there any accurate comparitive figures for the private sector? I knew of quite a few private sector workers for whom monday mornings were a blue moon occurrance.

My advice: put down the Irish Independent, stick your finger in your ear and wiggle it to try and jumpstart your brain. It obviously hasn't been ticking over in a while. The auld snow is a divil for that.
That's an outrage.
Our company allows 2 days uncertified. Everything else has to be certified. Even when uncertified, it is a sackable offence to take sick leave when not really sick.
Even with a doctor's cert, we are hauled before HR for having 3 instances of sick leave in any 12 month period, and lose 25% of end of year bonus.

This is the sort of thing that happens in the real world of the private sector.
Civil servants can take 7 days they call sick leave, without question? No wonder the country is broke. Get the finger out and pull your weight you skiving baxtards.
 

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That's an outrage.
Our company allows 2 days uncertified. Everything else has to be certified. Even when uncertified, it is a sackable offence to take sick leave when not really sick.
Even with a doctor's cert, we are hauled before HR for having 3 instances of sick leave in any 12 month period, and lose 25% of end of year bonus.

This is the sort of thing that happens in the real world of the private sector.
Civil servants can take 7 days they call sick leave, without question? No wonder the country is broke. Get the finger out and pull your weight you skiving baxtards.
I'm confused - what's an end of year bonus? Is that something you get "in the real world"?
 

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Maybe we should make the entire civil service redundant and re-engage them on new terms.

A company that has become insolvent or has been taken over is allowed to make the workforce redundant, so there's a good case for the State to do so. And with the strange times we're living in, they just might get away with it.
 

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I'm confused - what's and end of year bonus? Is that something you get "in the real world"?
It's our only bonus payment of any kind. Last year it amounted to 4% of salary before tax.
If the company does badly, we get nothing.
I'd be surprised if the public sector is a bonus-free zone.
 

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Just forget about it. Stressing yourself out over the public service.

They got what they asked for. Fianna FAIL dont want to rock the boat.

No mention of the AVERAGE 12 days sick leave.
No mention usually of the cashing your cheque facility
No mention usually of average no of holidays taken.

If the private sector keep working hard, creating jobs and paying their taxes all the above is only minor.
Perhaps the PS unions would do us all a favour and realise that 'this sort of thing' is not on in the current climate and instruct their members to stop all such unofficial leave taking.

You can bet that the ABFF coalition, apparently eargely awaited by the populace at large, will have none of it. Although Gildmore or some of his cronies are whinging that their hands are tied for the next three years by the bailout agreement? Huh?, I thought they would take the first plane to Brussels and renegotiate everything.

Or are we to assume that the ABFF coalition are redundant even before they are elected! :?
 


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