Should Churches, Political parties, Community groups etc in the North of Ireland be more vocal in their attitude to hate crime?

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Should Churches, Political parties, Community groups etc in the North of Ireland be more vocal in their attitude to hate crime?

If you were listening to Sunday Sequence on BBC Radio Ulster/Raidio Uladh this morning, you’ll have heard Róisín McAuley interviewing former Presbyterian Moderator Rev Norman Hamilton. It was a good interview that raised a number of worthwhile questions. The answers it produced were rather less shining.
Róisín asked Norman how he felt about the various bonfires that burned election posters of republicans and a mock-up coffin of Martin McGuinness, with accompanying abuse. Norman said he thought it was very bad and shouldn’t have happened. Then Róisín asked an awkward question: why hadn’t the former Moderator spoken out before the Eleventh Night, not after it? Norman fielded this one quite deftly: if she’d invited him onto the programme a week earlier and asked him the question, he’d have been glad to give the answer he now gave: it was appalling conduct (I’m paraphrasing here.)


Read on please......


http://www.judecollins.com/2017/07/sunday-sequence-tricky-questions/
 
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Paragraphs three and four are astounding and the remaining paragraphs and summation is quite sobering for those who voted for people opposed to the peace process.
 

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This minister is clearly a moronic libtard. Effigies of traitors are burnt by patriots in many countries, and effigies of the traitors who unleashed murder and destruction on this wee country need to be burnt regularly as a good reminder of reality, that we haven't gone away ye know, and will continue to resist our desired annihilation.

The most powerful hatred these days is also directed against white Europeans, particularly if male, Protestant and heterosexual with Conservative moral values. It just isn't classed as a "crime" as apparently destroying our own civilization and giving away everything we have inherited is the goal of Western leaders
 

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This minister is clearly a moronic libtard. Effigies of traitors are burnt by patriots in many countries, and effigies of the traitors who unleashed murder and destruction on this wee country need to be burnt regularly as a good reminder of reality, that we haven't gone away ye know, and will continue to resist our desired annihilation.
Now, on this...is it treason to act on severe discontent or is it treason to allow discontent to stew to the point that becomes severe, thereby becoming a danger to the peace which governments are charged with ensuring and maintaining?

The most powerful hatred these days is also directed against white Europeans, particularly if male, Protestant and heterosexual with Conservative moral values. It just isn't classed as a "crime" as apparently destroying our own civilization and giving away everything we have inherited is the goal of Western leaders
There's a lot of hatred also directed at people whose homes, families and communities have been targeted for destruction by western superpowers. We live in chaotic times Ox.
 

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This minister is clearly a moronic libtard. Effigies of traitors are burnt by patriots in many countries, and effigies of the traitors who unleashed murder and destruction on this wee country need to be burnt regularly as a good reminder of reality, that we haven't gone away ye know, and will continue to resist our desired annihilation.

The most powerful hatred these days is also directed against white Europeans, particularly if male, Protestant and heterosexual with Conservative moral values. It just isn't classed as a "crime" as apparently destroying our own civilization and giving away everything we have inherited is the goal of Western leaders
 

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This minister is clearly a moronic libtard. Effigies of traitors are burnt by patriots in many countries, and effigies of the traitors who unleashed murder and destruction on this wee country need to be burnt regularly as a good reminder of reality, that we haven't gone away ye know, and will continue to resist our desired annihilation.

The most powerful hatred these days is also directed against white Europeans, particularly if male, Protestant and heterosexual with Conservative moral values. It just isn't classed as a "crime" as apparently destroying our own civilization and giving away everything we have inherited is the goal of Western leaders
Sweet Jesus.
 

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As regards the op, there's plenty of evidence of clergy providing leadership and guidance right throughout the troubles. There's much more that's not in the public domain too. The problem with continual condemnation is that it rings hollow after a while. In many cases, the actions of clergy from all varieties speaks volumes.
 

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This minister is clearly a moronic libtard. Effigies of traitors are burnt by patriots in many countries, and effigies of the traitors who unleashed murder and destruction on this wee country need to be burnt regularly as a good reminder of reality, that we haven't gone away ye know, and will continue to resist our desired annihilation.

The most powerful hatred these days is also directed against white Europeans, particularly if male, Protestant and heterosexual with Conservative moral values. It just isn't classed as a "crime" as apparently destroying our own civilization and giving away everything we have inherited is the goal of Western leaders
Hahaha ,, lol ....

Why do so many Unionists sound as if they are both in the UDA and the KKK .... wtf :roll:

Hillbilly is right .. ffs
 

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As regards the op, there's plenty of evidence of clergy providing leadership and guidance right throughout the troubles. There's much more that's not in the public domain too. The problem with continual condemnation is that it rings hollow after a while. In many cases, the actions of clergy from all varieties speaks volumes.

The thread has got little to do with condemnation (mentioned only once in the link) most likely because many are sick and tired of the word and it's failure to save one life......remember there were even Unionists leaders who condemned ceasefires for Heaven's sake, anyways back to the thread and the link which highlights the 'tricky' questions which are vague and short in answers.
Let's look at the situation from 'Feb of this year when it was reported material gathering had begun for these huge monstrosities.

Takes us back to the lead question then "Should Churches, Political parties, Community groups etc in the North of Ireland be more vocal in their attitude to hate crime?"

One question from me though, what "actions" were taken by clergy, community leaders, police, politicos etc etc from February to July to prevent these hate crimes from escalating or at least try stopping it in it's infancy?

The law biding community in NE Ireland needs answers and actions sooner, rather that later or the whole damn thing starts all over again come Spring.
 

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The thread has got little to do with condemnation (mentioned only once in the link) most likely because many are sick and tired of the word and it's failure to save one life......remember there were even Unionists leaders who condemned ceasefires for Heaven's sake, anyways back to the thread and the link which highlights the 'tricky' questions which are vague and short in answers.
Let's look at the situation from 'Feb of this year when it was reported material gathering had begun for these huge monstrosities.

Takes us back to the lead question then "Should Churches, Political parties, Community groups etc in the North of Ireland be more vocal in their attitude to hate crime?"

One question from me though, what "actions" were taken by clergy, community leaders, police, politicos etc etc from February to July to prevent these hate crimes from escalating or at least try stopping it in it's infancy?

The law biding community in NE Ireland needs answers and actions sooner, rather that later or the whole damn thing starts all over again come Spring.
The point I was making, is just they often do their best work in the background. Being vocal isn't always the best way forward.
 

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The point I was making, is just they often do their best work in the background. Being vocal isn't always the best way forward.


Back room talk is useless Holly if responsible bodies decide to take action on impending hate crimes, they need to go public and for Heaven's sake not say images of MMcG, Pope Francis,John Finucane and his father are just simply "bad"


Leadership and guts required my friend in such a scenario.
 

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Just for those who did not read the last paragraph in the link and particularly for those who believe "best work done in background":D hilarious to say the least.

And that, essentially was that. Norman graciously acknowledged that he should have spoken out without being asked and the interview concluded.

How is that enough? Aren’t clergymen of all denominations, but especially those of the Protestant faith, supposed to give a moral lead? Every year it’s patently clear that the dreary procession of band after band, maybe some 3,000, act as an iron curtain of division in this society. It’s the Twelfth fortnight, Fenians keep out of the way. Let’s burn Irish flags, pictures of republican politicians, the occasional statue of Our Lady. And yet Protestant clergyman aren’t taking every opportunity to come out and say “This is bad. We’re supposed to be building a more cohesive society and THIS IS BAD!”

No wonder the British people are in shock when they finally have a look at the DUP.
 


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