Should Dublin have a red light district?

fluffykontbiscuits

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Lots have their phone numbers up on escorts Ireland, the chair of the Irish Labour women's group thinks 9/10 are foreign whores.
Life of a prostitute - The Irish Times - Thu, Sep 02, 2010

So we have a bit of info anyway.

The cops only need to enforce the law to get people "out" of it, we know that brothels are openly operating even in the smallest of irish towns, the Gardai and local TDs and councillers are essentially complicit. How any of these foreign women are trafficked is the question.

This isnt even mentioning the boys up in Limerick who are selling their holes to fund their university studies.


Anyone who claims to give a sh1t about the welfare of women should probably put the overwrought emotional rhetoric to one side and answer this one question: are the women involved in prostitution better or worse off not selling their bodies at all?

two young males looking for men seeking companions south dublin Dublin confessions

just an example of whats happening out there and there is a few more like that. Have heard a few "anecdotal" tales as well
 


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Why? There's still prostitution in Sweden.
There is even more according to sex workers interviewed in the Local an English newspaper in Sweden. Only it is now underground where the conditions are worse. Out of sight out of mind.
 

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isn't the 30kph speed limit to facilitate kerb crawling?
isn't that enough.
no need for a district surely.
 

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Well lets be honest, if any of our daughters, mothers etc were hookers we are not the ones sleeping with them are we ? (Though one or two posters come to mind who might take advantage of that). Prostitution is here to stay, let the women get full psychological evaluations, interview them, teach them about safe sex and undercut criminal gangs so it does not become worthwhile for them. Extra money can be allocated to hire extra security personnel.

Use the robust legislation thats in place to protect hookers (Health Safety Welfare at Work Act , Working time Act) and have them form a union . Enact legislation that makes it illegal to solicit in certain areas and come down heavy handed on those who break the law.

Mitsui, she has a tendency to ramble on the poor girl, she thinks blowing up Gardai are great fun thats the classy calibre of bird our SS is ;)
All assuming we in this country can properly regulate anything, let alone an industry whose premier exponents within the EU are violent criminal gangs. Aswell as that a belief that legalisation will put a stop of trafficing or abuse is nonsense. All the State would do is take onboard greater responsibility for breaches of regulation and the victims that generates.
 

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I've watched many doc's on this showing both sides, and read accounts showing the ugly and positive capitalist side of prostitution.

I have been to Amsterdam and New Zealand where it is all above board, it never induced me to using the service myself.

And it is just that, a service. It is only the business of the prostitute to decide on the merits and condition of the service provided.

You will find it is usually very strict, clean and professional. You are not buying anyone, only their time and expertise.

Much different, than a sloppy drunken shag from a complete stranger who only charged a few WKD's and a Redbull.
 

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Yes, similar to the recreational drug trade, prostitution needs to be decriminalized, legalized, regulated, and taxed. Regulated brothels should be run on a co-operative basis without pimps and with some of the taxes raised should go towards providing health services and to the prostitutes.

Anyone using prostitutes outside the regulated sector or anyone involved in pimping should face draconian penalties.
Boxing is "decriminalized, legalized, regulated and taxed" ... yet despite liberal theory, violent crime is still popular.

Legalising prostitution will have little impact on rape, sexual assult and other crimes against women ... or indeed men.
 

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All assuming we in this country can properly regulate anything, let alone an industry whose premier exponents within the EU are violent criminal gangs. Aswell as that a belief that legalisation will put a stop of trafficing or abuse is nonsense. All the State would do is take onboard greater responsibility for breaches of regulation and the victims that generates.
I'd rather have not particularily good regulation that protects or helps some women than none protecting no-one.
 

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As for sisters, spouses and mothers, I wouldn't want mine cleaning toilets or appearing on degrading reality TV shows, but I don't use my disgust at those things to ground the claim that they be made illegal.
Your post reminds me of a Youtube video i saw showing an Indian Dalit who crawls into human sewage with no protection, even going over his head for a few rupees - and the attitude of Indian neoliberal well-offs to them, disgust, ridicule etc... Instead of appreciating what those poor people have to do to survive and suggesting the system be changed they look down on the poor hard workers and what they have to endure to feed their famillies... you feel 'disgust' at the prostitute,sewage worker when you should be feeing it at a system where people feel they have no choice but to do such things.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vojEWe-f1Vg"]YouTube - Indian Sewer Cleaner[/ame]

You believe it is ok for people to debase themselves as human beings to make a few quid and yet you feel it is also proper to then insult them for it? Your attitude is probably common among Johns, i find it disgusting.

Bottom line is that prostitution is the ritual of placing a price on the dignity of a human being. In this world we worship money and the idea that it is the basis for everything, legalising prostitution is the extension of that idea, the most famous original libertarians (like the US landowners) were all slaveowners.
 
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Boxing is "decriminalized, legalized, regulated and taxed" ... yet despite liberal theory, violent crime is still popular.

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Congratulations on presenting the most inept analogy of the thread. Well done Sir.
 

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Maybe Amsterdam only has a red light district for sex tourism because it doesn't have a Temple Bar. Except temple bar is more sex drink and puking tourism i suppose.
 

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Thac0man said:
What, cleaning a toilet is beneath you but taking up the arse is'ent? Of do you have servents to do both? I take you you are arguing for the ideal world where servents can do both for you. I proposed the hypothetical question for one reason and one reason alone; to illustrate that those arguing in favour of legalised prostitution are in fact dehumanising those involved in the trade, as opposed to supporting them. You will to reinforce the concept that prostitutes are some namless and faceless, but taxable entity, seems to enforce that.
Thoroughly bonkers but entertaining. Cheers.
 

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There is even more according to sex workers interviewed in the Local an English newspaper in Sweden. Only it is now underground where the conditions are worse. Out of sight out of mind.
It's not only Swedish sex workers saying this. The Swedish police are now admitting they've been undercounting prostitution for years. They're only noticing it more because of increased resources.

Big increase in prostitution reports - The Local
 

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You have a link for this!
Do you doubt me, I heard it first being discussed on a radio program in limerick 2 years ago.

Escort agencies luring students into prostitution to pay for college - National News, Frontpage - Independent.ie

two young males looking for men seeking companions south dublin Dublin confessions

just an example of whats happening out there and there is a few more like that. Have heard a few "anecdotal" tales as well
Its pathetic that a) this is normalised enough to seem to be acceptable behaviour to some people, they will change their minds no doubt when they get older and wiser. b) people would do this then get a crappy part time job in the evening or save up some money in some full-time job or other or just stay on the dole. What are the anecdotes you are hearing.
 
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Up until roughly 90 years ago, Dublin had a famous red light district known as Monto. This was reputedly the largest red light district in Europe, and was located in the area around Talbot St, Gardiner St and Amiens St. Anyone who has read Ulysses by Joyce will know it as the 'nighttown' area described in the Circe episode.

Monto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

After independence, the area was 'cleaned up' by the Legion of Mary, and prostitution went underground. Since 1993 it has been illegal for prostitutes to hang around on the streets touting for business.

Red light districts are major tourist attractions in cities like Amsterdam and Hamburg. The prostitution / sex industry exists in Ireland. Wouldn't it make more economic sense, and be less hypocritical, to allow it to be carried out openly and taxed as any other economic activity?
It wasn't a 'famous' district at all - it was an infamous one!:evil:

Young girls and women were kept in grotty conditions and led miserable degrading lives 'servicing' men, incl many from the large British Garrison stationed in the Dublin Barracks.

By 1923 it was on its last legs anyway, and while the LOM maybe not everyone's cup of tea Frank Duff and his Legionnaires did sterling work in having it closed down

- with a little help from the Constables of the DMP!:)
 

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Prostitution is the base dehumanization of women.
If the morons on this thread who are in favor of legalization, would they encourage prostitution to be advertised as a career in secondary schools or on college campuses? Would they like their daughters or mothers to be prostitutes?
The pornification of culture means that young girls are wearing t-shirts with 'cute' playboy symbols.
Intelligent educated young women are still treated like meat and paid less than their male co-workers.
The amount of casual sexism and the number of rapes in Irish society show that women have still a long way to go to achieve equality.
Men have a feeling of entitlement - they work, they go out, they drink heavily and they demand sex.
Women have never been MORE objectified as masturbation accessories than ever before.
Dublin does not need a red light district.
IT NEEDS SOME DAMNED RESPECT FOR WOMEN.
 

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Prostitution is the base dehumanization of women.
If the morons on this thread who are in favor of legalization, would they encourage prostitution to be advertised as a career in secondary schools or on college campuses? Would they like their daughters or mothers to be prostitutes?
The pornification of culture means that young girls are wearing t-shirts with 'cute' playboy symbols.
Intelligent educated young women are still treated like meat and paid less than their male co-workers.
The amount of casual sexism and the number of rapes in Irish society show that women have still a long way to go to achieve equality.
Men have a feeling of entitlement - they work, they go out, they drink heavily and they demand sex.
Women have never been MORE objectified as masturbation accessories than ever before.
Dublin does not need a red light district.
IT NEEDS SOME DAMNED RESPECT FOR WOMEN.
Liberalism means letting people do what they like with their bodies and not be judged. If you follow that creed what do you expect.
 

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Liberalism means letting people do what they like with their bodies and not be judged. If you follow that creed what do you expect.
No woman wants to be a prostitute.
Only women who are in dire poverty, have serious psychological problems, drug dependency and are coerced by violent men become prostitutes.
No woman wants to be a stripper or work in porn either.
In the media, movies, television and on the internet, prostitution, stripping and porn have become 'normal.'
The sex industry is modern slavery.
When you go to a strip club to watch a half-naked girl girating around pole, have paid to have sex with a girl who gives you fellatio or lets you have anal intercourse with her, when you watch a girl who gets on her knees so a man can ejaculate on her face, you are participating in the enslavement, rape and abuse of women.
WAKE UP.
 

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There's a plethora of cute hoors in Leinster hHouse if that helps. They are more expensive than the traditional ones. :cool:
A lot more expensive, but then they screw you in loads of different ways and you don't realise it until it's over, your fleeced, and they are having a good laugh at your expense.:mad:
 
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If Dublin were to have a red light district they must use energy saving bulbs.
 


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