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For the same reason why we have a minimum wage we also prevent people from selling themselves for money. For the same reason we don't crap on the ground we don't allow people to go naked into human sewage. It degrades all of society for the benefit of a few pimps and scumbags.

Let them find work some other way or get welfare or move abroad. The women are degraded by it but i am also prepared to consider re-evaluating an opinion of them as 'victims' in all of this too - especially in a country like Ireland which is not exactly Bangkok.
Tell me, who is more pathetic - the whore or the client?

The whore gets well paid for an easy job. The client has to pay to get any sort of a _job.

I'd agree with you completely if i thought you could stop prostitution. However, given that we will never stop it we have to choose the best of a lot of bad options.
- Allow it to happen unregulated, ensuring that there is massive risks all round.
or
- Regulate it to ensure that the women are not abused/mistreated and the client is safe.

Effectively banning it would be best but its not an option I'm afraid.
 

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No woman wants to be a prostitute.
Only women who are in dire poverty, have serious psychological problems, drug dependency and are coerced by violent men become prostitutes.
No woman wants to be a stripper or work in porn either.
In the media, movies, television and on the internet, prostitution, stripping and porn have become 'normal.'
The sex industry is modern slavery.
When you go to a strip club to watch a half-naked girl girating around pole, have paid to have sex with a girl who gives you fellatio or lets you have anal intercourse with her, when you watch a girl who gets on her knees so a man can ejaculate on her face, you are participating in the enslavement, rape and abuse of women.
WAKE UP.
Kid, no-one dreams of working in a mine, or in a slaughterhouse, or in a sewer, or collecting bins. People do dangerous, unpleasant jobs because they need money. I'd say there are virtually no sex slaves in Ireland, and legalisation of the trade would surely make it safer for prostitutes - they could take their boss to court if he withheld money from them, etc.
 

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Telemachus

Read about a few websites and there is a commercial section on gaydar where young lads are selling their wares (classified as escorts) and spoke to a few guys who said that they heard of a few men practically selling themselves to earn a few quid. (mind you it could be hear say)



Redtoothclaw

Lads can do what they want if they women are freely doing it, whats the difference between a woman who downs ten red bulls and gets inebrieated and her knickers around her ankles and a hooker who gets paid? The latter is doing it willingly and the former are not in a lot of cases. Get of your high horse and direct your right wing conservatism to something positive

Boggle summed it up perfectly

As long as the individual freely decides to do it then let them at it.
 

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I'm reminded of a chapter of the book Disgrace by J M Coetzee, where the 52 year old professor is talking to a young female student of his, and he suggests to her that the beauty that she possesses is not just her's alone, but that it belongs to the wider world .... and that maybe she should share it more widely and not be so possessive of it.

This is just before he has sex with her (the dirty old git).
Disgrace: Amazon.co.uk: J M Coetzee: Books

I think he had a point though.
 

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This topic comes up from time to time on p.ie, and I've mentioned this site before. It gives an interesting perspective, as does some of its sister sites. Definitely worth a long read of the letters.

Letters from Working Girls

As to the OP, probably, but it won't happen in Dublin, at least not for a long time. I'm not saying its right, but it happens every day of the week, and these women have terrible protection in society right now. Even a tolerated red light district might make things safer for them.
 

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Up until roughly 90 years ago, Dublin had a famous red light district known as Monto. This was reputedly the largest red light district in Europe, and was located in the area around Talbot St, Gardiner St and Amiens St. Anyone who has read Ulysses by Joyce will know it as the 'nighttown' area described in the Circe episode.

Monto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

After independence, the area was 'cleaned up' by the Legion of Mary, and prostitution went underground. Since 1993 it has been illegal for prostitutes to hang around on the streets touting for business.

Red light districts are major tourist attractions in cities like Amsterdam and Hamburg. The prostitution / sex industry exists in Ireland. Wouldn't it make more economic sense, and be less hypocritical, to allow it to be carried out openly and taxed as any other economic activity?
It wouldn't make economic sense, and there is no hypocrisy. The "Monto" area was in fact cleared before independence - it was knocked in 1905 I think and replaced by Corporation housing. Public opinion would be wholly against it - look at the protests there were outside lapdancing clubs... imagine what they would be like outrside brothels?
 

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Regulation would be the most civilized way to go . The hypocrisy of some people is sickening . "Oh I care so much for womens rights , I want them to work for gangsters in dark alleyways":rolleyes:
 

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Up until roughly 90 years ago, Dublin had a famous red light district known as Monto. This was reputedly the largest red light district in Europe, and was located in the area around Talbot St, Gardiner St and Amiens St. Anyone who has read Ulysses by Joyce will know it as the 'nighttown' area described in the Circe episode.

Monto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

After independence, the area was 'cleaned up' by the Legion of Mary, and prostitution went underground. Since 1993 it has been illegal for prostitutes to hang around on the streets touting for business.

Red light districts are major tourist attractions in cities like Amsterdam and Hamburg. The prostitution / sex industry exists in Ireland. Wouldn't it make more economic sense, and be less hypocritical, to allow it to be carried out openly and taxed as any other economic activity?
What would we call it? The I.R.S.C (International Recretional Services Centre)?
 

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Public opinion would be wholly against it - look at the protests there were outside lapdancing clubs... imagine what they would be like outrside brothels?
Public opinion is against tax rises and cut-backs. That doesn't mean it is valid.

The state is bankrupt. Sex, drugs and gambling may be horrible but they could bring in tourist revenue to pay for the public's schools, hospitals etc.

And, no, I don't like either/or decisions between the two alternatives.
 

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You're obviously not familiar with the basic concept of liberalism. Read some Mill and then come back to me.
Why? Does everyone who becomes familiar with the "concept of liberalism" accept and agree with it? :eek:
 

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Why? Does everyone who becomes familiar with the "concept of liberalism" accept and agree with it? :eek:
Eh, no. But they might understand that it is possible to make a policy proposal without having a personal interest in the matter.
 

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Public opinion is against tax rises and cut-backs. That doesn't mean it is valid.

The state is bankrupt. Sex, drugs and gambling may be horrible but they could bring in tourist revenue to pay for the public's schools, hospitals etc.

And, no, I don't like either/or decisions between the two alternatives.
Well if it works who cares, we could shag our way out of a recession ;) petunia
 

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