Should EU push for no deal/woeful deal on Brexit to force the Brits into reversing track?

Congalltee

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Imagine if the remainers won and took a 52:48 victory as a mandate to join the Euro and JHA.
It's unthinkable, but that's what the leavers have done in reverse.

Should the Brexit proposal be so unpalitible and without transition progress e.g.
- WTO tariffs and paperwork
- no flights to/from UK until everything is agreed
- outside euroatom, affecting nuclear energy
- we allow asylum seekers transfer from RoI into north to force border in the Irish Sea.
- high roaming tariffs
- long passport queues
- City of London gets transaction tariff.
Et etc

Ireland would be screwed until either they reverse fully or agree all agreements, trade deals, freedom of movement and jurisdiction of cjeu etc.

The poor Brits seem deluded that they can unsubscribe from EU but cherry pick.
 


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Imagine if the remainers won and took a 52:48 victory as a mandate to join the Euro and JHA.
It's unthinkable, but that's what the leavers have done in reverse.

Should the Brexit proposal be so unpalitible and without transition progress e.g.
- WTO tariffs and paperwork
- no flights to/from UK until everything is agreed
- outside euroatom, affecting nuclear energy
- we allow asylum seekers transfer from RoI into north to force border in the Irish Sea.
- high roaming tariffs
- long passport queues
- City of London gets transaction tariff.
Et etc

Ireland would be screwed until either they reverse fully or agree all agreements, trade deals, freedom of movement and jurisdiction of cjeu etc.

The poor Brits seem deluded that they can unsubscribe from EU but cherry pick.
It's an interesting hypothesis.

I have the impression that if the EU did push, the political stability of the UK, such as it currently is, risks deteriorating precipitously. That's not in our interest in Ireland or the EU.
 
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Have they said openly that the Brits would be left reverse with the status quo ex ante resuming.

Cause that's an easy thing to do and I don't think they have.
 

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Have they said openly that the Brits would be left reverse with the status quo ex ante resuming.

Cause that's an easy thing to do and I don't think they have.
Macron and Schaüble have said as much, but with a rider. With everyday closer to Brexit we come, the harder it will be to revert to the status quo ante.
 

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I'd be happy with this suggestion - if it works, but we don't know until it is tried. If it doesn't work then it will be a disaster for the Brits and those living in UK, like me. Probably too chancy.
 

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It is a no deal/woeful deal for all unless the UK reverse decision.

There are two chances of that happening.

Prepare for the worst in both the short term and long term.
 

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It would be really humiliating for the British to be forced to go back into the EU with their tails between their legs.
 

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the politicians seem to forget nearly 18 million people voted to leave.
we're now supposed to believe they all are crapping themselves and want to stay.
I reckon if they don't at least tackle ridiculous immigration there will be civil disorder.
 

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the politicians seem to forget nearly 18 million people voted to leave.
we're now supposed to believe they all are crapping themselves and want to stay.
I reckon if they don't at least tackle ridiculous immigration there will be civil disorder.
well Pakistan isn't in the EU and the camps were in Calais not Dover so it looks like the EU tried to do its bit.
 
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UK is not going to negotiate anything................... its assume it will get its way by leaving.

Spoke with friends who deal with Food Industry and each year a big influx of Eastern European summer workers get them through the season. Pound down 25% plus the nasty crap from UK has meant many are staying away or going elsewhere.

This is only a foretaste of things to come as Tory Right Wing are intent of leaving at any cost.
 

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Its going to be the divorce from hell, but boy will they be relieved when they are finally shot of that bitch the EU.
 

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You can't let the Germans Push you around . History tells us clearly not to let the Germans Push you around.........
 

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Fock the fascist EU, England should burn them.
 

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Fock the fascist EU, England should burn them.
And Wales should look crossly at them while Scotland looks wistfully at them and Norn Irn looks East and South at the same time.
 
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People are forgetting one little detail. Trade agreements may exist between countries but the trading all happens at company level. And while the EU can slap tariffs on imports from the UK, the UK will respond in kind. And it is not in the interests of EU exporters to the UK that their goods should be loaded with the cost of tariffs, a cost which will inevitably mean the UK companies switching the purchase of these imports to countries like Japan and the many others who will be lining up to conclude favorable trade arrangements.

The EU could have afforded to lose the likes of Greece, Portugal and Ireland. The UK is an altogether different kettle of fish. It is too big a trading partner to throw away and the increased costs of imports will see much business transferred elsewhere, but it may also result in a significant level of import substitution - something the UK could achieve because of its existing industrial base, which the smaller countries lacked.

And it is wrong to regard the EU portrayal of their annoyance with the UK's negotiating tactics as frustration with delaying by the UK. What we are really seeing is the fear that all bureaucrats have of uncertainty, while all the time EU industries grow uneasy and pressurize them to get on with the job. These guys are amateurs compared with the negotiators the UK will throw into the negotiations when they decide to get serious.
 

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Fock the fascist EU, England should burn them.
That is the level of thinking by the English when they voted for Brexit.

We in Ireland know all about that arrogant contempt.

The facts are that over the best part of eight centuries the English walked all over the inhabitants of this island stole their land, destroyed their rights, left them to starve, destroyed their businesses, tore up treaties including the GFA signed with them.

Through Brexit they have also torn up treaty signed with nearly thirty European countries.

The EU in contrast has given us a free market of 500 million people, 43bn net transfers and when our own most powerful citizens bankrupt this country the EU together with the IMF financed an 85bn bailout.
 
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People are forgetting one little detail. Trade agreements may exist between countries but the trading all happens at company level. And while the EU can slap tariffs on imports from the UK, the UK will respond in kind. And it is not in the interests of EU exporters to the UK that their goods should be loaded with the cost of tariffs, a cost which will inevitably mean the UK companies switching the purchase of these imports to countries like Japan and the many others who will be lining up to conclude favorable trade arrangements.

The EU could have afforded to lose the likes of Greece, Portugal and Ireland. The UK is an altogether different kettle of fish. It is too big a trading partner to throw away and the increased costs of imports will see much business transferred elsewhere, but it may also result in a significant level of import substitution - something the UK could achieve because of its existing industrial base, which the smaller countries lacked.

And it is wrong to regard the EU portrayal of their annoyance with the UK's negotiating tactics as frustration with delaying by the UK. What we are really seeing is the fear that all bureaucrats have of uncertainty, while all the time EU industries grow uneasy and pressurize them to get on with the job. These guys are amateurs compared with the negotiators the UK will throw into the negotiations when they decide to get serious.
You forgetting something................ UK exports are services way more than manufacturing, services easily moved.

UK can try it on tarrifs but there car business ceases to exist as people can and will buy direct from Japan............... 1 million people in UK employed in Car Industry.

Working with a business at moment that imports from EU, processes and then sell across EU, same company but plan is that processing done in EU, UK business element is circa £5 million. 2 years ago it was £15 m and plan is zero by next year. MNC still has sales but now in EU. 30 UK jobs will go................. this year.

The rabid Tory right wing assume the old Empire will come crawling back............... India might for unfettered Visa access lol.

UK Growth this year is less than half of last year and affects only being felt now, it will get worse.

City job losses forecast as 40,000 plus same again likely who rely on them............... Assume ave salary of the 1st 40k is 50,000...... in a mix of low and high paid jobs
Now assume other 40k losses are low paid i.e. 20k a year.

Need to find 4 20k a year jobs to get same PAYE as 1 job loss at 50k.............. lose 40,000 city jobs and need to replace them with 160,000 20k jobs to deliver the same PAYE but someone earning way more than baseline salary spends on high VAT luxuries.............. not unrealistic to say £3k more in VAT than someone earning £20k.

These the numbers that start to become frightening.
 


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