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Should FF align to the EPP ?


jo9jo

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In the EU, the Fianna Fail Party is aligned to the ELDR (European Liberal Democrats).
About the ELDR Party | Fianna Fáil

This grouping consists of 75 MEPs.

Fine Gael, on the other hand, are aligned to the EPP (European People's Party).
Who are we? | EPP

This grouping consists of 270 MEPs.

Could the economic disaster have been averted if the previous government had influence on an EU level as Enda obviously has in the EPP with the German Chancellor ?

What have FF in common with Liberal Democrats in the EU ?

Is FF too proud to join the EPP grouping because FG are a member ?
 

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No, FFinished, with their strong ability to be liberal with the truth should stick to their current alignment.

They belong in the same group as the Britain's Lib Dems - though Chris Huhne did go to jail.
 

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In the EU, the Fianna Fail Party is aligned to the ELDR (European Liberal Democrats).
About the ELDR Party | Fianna Fáil

This grouping consists of 75 MEPs.

Fine Gael, on the other hand, are aligned to the EPP (European People's Party).
Who are we? | EPP

This grouping consists of 270 MEPs.

Could the economic disaster have been averted if the previous government had influence on an EU level as Enda obviously has in the EPP with the German Chancellor ?

What have FF in common with Liberal Democrats in the EU ?

Is FF too proud to join the EPP grouping because FG are a member ?
If you think Enda has any influence with the German chancellor you havent taken your meds today.
 

jo9jo

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If you think Enda has any influence with the German chancellor you havent taken your meds today.
What influence has FF with their ELDR counterparts.
On the Venn Diagram, I see no overlap of interests.

I am confused.
 

IrishWelshCelt

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What influence has FF with their ELDR counterparts.
On the Venn Diagram, I see no overlap of interests.

I am confused.
Just because they (supposedly) share the same ideological viewpoints doesnt mean that Merkel has the interests of the Irish people at heart. The EU parliament has little or no power and is just one big bureaucratic mess.
 

jo9jo

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Just because they (supposedly) share the same ideological viewpoints doesnt mean that Merkel has the interests of the Irish people at heart. The EU parliament has little or no power and is just one big bureaucratic mess.
Well, it is easier to chat to Merkel if youhappen to be sitting beside her at an EPP meeting as is the case with Kenny.
Alphabetically seating order sees to it that Germany sits beside Ireland.
 

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Is FF too proud to join the EPP grouping because FG are a member ?
The problem is that existing members of a European grouping usually have a veto over new members joining.
FF couldn't join the ELDR until the PDs collapsed and it's unlikely that they'll ever be able to join the EPP.

Edit: A bigger problem for FF than the ELDR's size is that they share almost no beliefs with the rest of the Liberal group, so it's not a comfortable alliance for either side. But, it's better than having no allies in Europe.
 

jo9jo

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The problem is that existing members of a European grouping usually have a veto over new members joining.
FF couldn't join the ELDR until the PDs collapsed and it's unlikely that they'll ever be able to join the EPP.

Edit: A bigger problem for FF than the ELDR's size is that they share almost no beliefs with the rest of the Liberal group, so it's not a comfortable alliance for either side. But, it's better than having no allies in Europe.
Exactly.
Why join such a grouping ?
 

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FF should go back to the ragbag Gaullists they were once with, and Jean Marie Le Pen crowd, birds of a feather !
 

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Exactly.
Why join such a grouping ?
Mainly because 3 isolated MEPs would have zero ability to influence the parliament.
FF have a lower proportion of members of the European Parliament (3/754) than Mattie McGrath has in the Dáil (1/166).
Since the European Parliament does a lot of important, though boring, work, influence in it really matters.
MEPs' abilities to get on parliamentary committees and influence reports depends on their grouping memberships.
Also, getting your nominees for positions through parliament can be a more difficult process when you lack political allies on the committee - that's part of the reason P.Flynn had such a rough vetting when he was appointed to the Commission in 1994.

There are also significant diplomatic advantages; even in opposition, FG were able to build and maintain relations with leaders and governing parties across Europe in a way that FF couldn't.

And, there's also the flow of ideas; Fine Gael and Labour have both influenced and been influenced by their groupings and their contributions to European debates on issues like corporation tax matter far more than would be the case if they weren't in major groupings.

FF's ability to take full advantage of membership of a major grouping is constrained by the fact that they're a really bad ideological fit with that grouping, but it's still massively beneficial for them.
 

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Time to consider joining the largest political grouping in the EU Parliament ?
 

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Time to consider joining the largest political grouping in the EU Parliament ?
FG will still veto FF joining the EPP.

However, the person likely to be FF's sole remaining MEP had publicly and vociferously opposed joining the Liberals. As well as his particularly strong ideological differences with FF's new grouping, Crowley had held prestigious titles in the UEN (co-chair of the entire grouping and leader of the FF part of it) that he lost in the move.
If another grouping (say, the ECR) were willing to offer Crowley a Vice Presidency, he'd be very tempted to say yes and FF would have little alternative to going along with his decision.
 

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The FF EP delegation will have to put it to a vote.

Alright, Mr. Crowley, which way will your vote ?
 
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