Should FF tell the truth, resign and not contest the election ?

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Dramatic week in Irish life and dramatic week in the life of Irelands largest political party. FF have been tried and convicted by those who oppose everything FF ever stood for. Execution should be an election but should FF resign and not contest the election. Should FF spend no more than a week putting together the unvarnished truth about the origin of the crash and about FF's role in that crash. Should FF be the ultimate whistleblower on the origin of the money that arrived in this country and the the thinking behind the low interest rates regime. Should FF be totally upfront on theirown areas of guilt and should FF point the finger of blame at others
There is no denying FF are chronically damaged so is it time they left Irish politics and wiped the slate clean from within and spend 5 years building up a whole new ethos and words like that. Would it be better for the country if all those in politics, other than FF, came together to form a government to take the country forward without what is seen as the slime of FF hanging aroun in the Dail
 


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If they had that kind of integrity we wouldn't be where we are. I want them to contest the election. Let the people finish them off.
 

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Tell us what you think FF needs to do Oggy.
 

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Not contest? They're all in Donegal at our expense. I'm told even that several TDs bummed lifts in the ministerial mercs for a free lift up. So we're subsidising FF's electioneering in Donegal. Deosn't look like a party that won't contest the next election.

Also, seems over 1000 activists were summoned to the cause and all are travelling for fear of being branded unfaithful.

Let's hope folks in Donegal tell them that all the campaigning in the World can't save a corrupt colection of hoodlums anymore.
 

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Dramatic week in Irish life and dramatic week in the life of Irelands largest political party. FF have been tried and convicted by those who oppose everything FF ever stood for. Execution should be an election but should FF resign and not contest the election. Should FF spend no more than a week putting together the unvarnished truth about the origin of the crash and about FF's role in that crash. Should FF be the ultimate whistleblower on the origin of the money that arrived in this country and the the thinking behind the low interest rates regime. Should FF be totally upfront on theirown areas of guilt and should FF point the finger of blame at others
There is no denying FF are chronically damaged so is it time they left Irish politics and wiped the slate clean from within and spend 5 years building up a whole new ethos and words like that. Would it be better for the country if all those in politics, other than FF, came together to form a government to take the country forward without what is seen as the slime of FF hanging aroun in the Dail
No. A National government is not a solution. We need a general election between FG, Lab, SF etc. FF will be lucky to be third in such an election. We should hold in the election in the spring so that some of the elderly traitors will have died off during the winter. After the election FF leaders need to be hung for treason and the remaining traitors driven into the sea like the Brits before them
 

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If they had that kind of integrity we wouldn't be where we are. I want them to contest the election. Let the people finish them off.
FF and integrity do not mix, FF is like a rancid oil floating on top of a clean sea of integrity.:(
 

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No. A National government is not a solution. We need a general election between FG, Lab, SF etc. FF will be lucky to be third in such an election. We should hold in the election in the spring so that some of the elderly traitors will have died off during the winter. After the election FF leaders need to be hung for treason and the remaining traitors driven into the sea like the Brits before them
Jesus Christ, you want to see old people die simply because they happen to vote for FF?? Trying to revive the glory days of FG are you? FFS..
 

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Jesus Christ, you want to see old people die simply because they happen to vote for FF?? Trying to revive the glory days of FG are you? FFS..
No just frustrating to see it will take an entire generation for FF to die off. Sick of die hards of any party that can't open their eyes and see the truth
 

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Dramatic week in Irish life and dramatic week in the life of Irelands largest political party. FF have been tried and convicted by those who oppose everything FF ever stood for.
Could you tell us what they have stood for, especially over the last 40 years ?
That is after you leave out cronyism, corruption, fraud, unethical behaviour, waste, unaccountability, unresponsibility.

Execution should be an election but should FF resign and not contest the election. Should FF spend no more than a week putting together the unvarnished truth about the origin of the crash and about FF's role in that crash. Should FF be the ultimate whistleblower on the origin of the money that arrived in this country and the the thinking behind the low interest rates regime. Should FF be totally upfront on theirown areas of guilt and should FF point the finger of blame at others
They don't have a concept of guilt.
If they did they would have kicked out all their corrupt or very unethical of their high ranking members over the last 30 years.

Shure what am I saying you are one yourself. :rolleyes:

FF and integrity do not mix, FF is like a rancid oil floating on top of a clean sea of integrity.:(
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There is no denying FF are chronically damaged so is it time they left Irish politics and wiped the slate clean from within and spend 5 years building up a whole new ethos and words like that. Would it be better for the country if all those in politics, other than FF, came together to form a government to take the country forward without what is seen as the slime of FF hanging aroun in the Dail
No they should ALL feck off and not show their faces again. Look below, even some guy on RTÉ knew what was going to happen TWELVE YEARS AGO.

The political parties ALL have their political economists spouting their spiel. They've ALL missed the blindingly obvious. How can this be so? They want us to believe that the bursting bubble came as a big shock to them all, but that's absolute rubbish.

They all knew full well what was being deliberately engineered by the obviously crooked financial sector, and now all of them are lining up to assist in the 'bailout', a massive transfer of wealth from poor to rich. Reverse socialism. They are a whole class of criminals and anybody who votes for any of them is a traitor to Ireland.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a37sRjkLtWw]YouTube - Collapse of Irish Economy Predicted in 1998 RTE TV[/ame]
 

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No just frustrating to see it will take an entire generation for FF to die off. Sick of die hards of any party that can't open their eyes and see the truth
In all fairness mate, there are many die-hards who won't be voting FF because of the state of the economy- my Granda was in the local cumann for years, but he'll be voting FG next time out rather than vote for FF. I dislike FG as much as FF, but the fact that someone who was a member of FF for years would even consider doing that just shows how bad things have got and how they're going into terminal decline
 

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Of course FF should resign and yes they should tell the truth but this would be changing a habit of a lifetime and goes against the grain with most members, so I doubt if this will happen. For many, telling the truth would be virtually impossible.

I would have no problem them contesting the election as they are going to lose anyway and the sight of them losing so many seats will cheer many people up no-end. Their lack of action of the past two years has tightened the noose around our necks further and them clinging on to the mast of this sinking ship is indefensible.

What needs to happen is a complete overhaul of the Political System. A reduction to salaries, pensions and perks of TD's and ministers, extended days sitting, reform the Dáil drastically, introduce transparency like the UK have just done this week, change the rules whereby members of the house can be fired, extend the rules on disclosure to spouses and partners, tighten up the rules on Tax Clearance whereby the maximum term without Tax Clearance is twelve month. Lets see how many on both sides will not run under this new regime, weed out the greedy and self-serving. This way of thinking is not only restricted to FF, it extends to all parties. We do not trust the political system, the antics of FF over the past years has reinforced this. Their credibility is at an all time low and can only go up, how long that will take is anybody's guess but let it be under a new system that we can trust.
 

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In all fairness mate, there are many die-hards who won't be voting FF because of the state of the economy- my Granda was in the local cumann for years, but he'll be voting FG next time out rather than vote for FF. I dislike FG as much as FF, but the fact that someone who was a member of FF for years would even consider doing that just shows how bad things have got and how they're going into terminal decline
Your granda is an exception and you now it. 17% still vote for them. I accept sticking with the party through thick and thin but there is a point where enough is enough. Heave and take the party back or leave. Most have done neither. I can accept and respect parties I disagree with like the socialists but as long as you respect they have good and wellmeaning aims at heart you tolerate them. But FF has neither. It may have once but certainly not in the last few decades
 

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Dramatic week in Irish life and dramatic week in the life of Irelands largest political party. FF have been tried and convicted by those who oppose everything FF ever stood for. Execution should be an election but should FF resign and not contest the election. Should FF spend no more than a week putting together the unvarnished truth about the origin of the crash and about FF's role in that crash. Should FF be the ultimate whistleblower on the origin of the money that arrived in this country and the the thinking behind the low interest rates regime. Should FF be totally upfront on theirown areas of guilt and should FF point the finger of blame at others
There is no denying FF are chronically damaged so is it time they left Irish politics and wiped the slate clean from within and spend 5 years building up a whole new ethos and words like that. Would it be better for the country if all those in politics, other than FF, came together to form a government to take the country forward without what is seen as the slime of FF hanging aroun in the Dail
The fear of a tribe will keep FF going - the FF tribe have had jobs, inside knowledge and other corrupt practices for so long that their addiction will have to be treated and not by criminal sanctions or violence. The onus will be on the next couple of governments to put integrity high on the agenda so that the FF tribe's descendants can believe in another way. As Deepak Chopra (nothing to the IMF rep in town!) mentions people function from their own sense of awareness. It behoves society to educate - i.e lead people to an understanding of their flaws as opposed to castigating them in a way which may only cause violence in the future. Fear is a destructive force - faith and hope in ourselves will lead us out of this mess. Excuse the preachy type of reply but commentators are in danger of over-reacting. Power corrupts and absoulte power corrupts absolutely - a healthy through put of politicians is required and the youth need to stand up to the challenge. No more FF arrogance please.
 

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Fianna Fail wouldn't recognise the truth if it sat up, bit them on the arse, and started whistling Dixie.
 

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Fianna Fail wouldn't recognise the truth if it sat up, bit them on the arse, and started whistling Dixie.
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A lad I work with has been ogre FF since college and now hates Fianna FAIL. In his words, "I am sick of being lied to by eejits who don't have a clue about what to do".
 

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Dramatic week in Irish life and dramatic week in the life of Irelands largest political party. FF have been tried and convicted by those who oppose everything FF ever stood for. Execution should be an election but should FF resign and not contest the election. Should FF spend no more than a week putting together the unvarnished truth about the origin of the crash and about FF's role in that crash. Should FF be the ultimate whistleblower on the origin of the money that arrived in this country and the the thinking behind the low interest rates regime. Should FF be totally upfront on theirown areas of guilt and should FF point the finger of blame at others
There is no denying FF are chronically damaged so is it time they left Irish politics and wiped the slate clean from within and spend 5 years building up a whole new ethos and words like that. Would it be better for the country if all those in politics, other than FF, came together to form a government to take the country forward without what is seen as the slime of FF hanging aroun in the Dail
you are a hoot,ff couldnt even tell the truth when the imf came to town last week,"there is no bailout" ha.
the greens will do their own version of a bailout straight after the budget watch and see,then you will reap what you have sown......
adios fianna fail....
best of luck knocking on doors oggy...
id say you cant wait :lol::lol::lol:
 

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Noel Dempsey and kileen told us this week they see the goverment last up until 2012, the Sunday Tribune reports, FF plan to change their leader after the budget, and a probable general election next spring.

The question is do we the IRISH people want to give them that chance, do we want this economic disaster to go down in the history books as just that, or do we all want to look back in ten years, and see how we the Irish joined in solidarity, and kicked this goverment out by the end of the year.

Peaceful and noisy sit down protest, refusing to leave the streets until FF vacate the building and call a general election is what is needed.
 

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Jesus Christ, you want to see old people die simply because they happen to vote for FF?? Trying to revive the glory days of FG are you? FFS..
The true way forward is that neither Fianna Fail or Fine Gael dared ever going for any election ever again. And all current local and European representative of these two parties also resigned. Banish them both for once and for all !
 


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