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Should Fianna Fáil apologise for the Civil War?


IbrahaimMohamad

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Should Fianna Fáil apologise for the Civil War?

When Fianna Fáil under Bertie Ahern commended the Good Friday Agreement to the Irish People and asked them to vote to concede on Articles 2 & 3 of the Constitution it marked a u turn in the Fianna Fáil position on a United Ireland.

The revolutionaries who shunned the Irish Free State and who entered the Dáil in 1927 grudgingly after inflicting a vicious Civil War on their people have yet to admit they were wrong to inflict a Civil War on a young independent State, wrecking lives and property in the cause of some thing they would eventually abandon.

Of Course many were delighted to see Fianna Fáil finally come closer to democracy and reason and to have asked them to have apologised for the Civil war may have been asking them to walk further than they were able or willing at the time.

A cynic might suggest that Articles 2 &3 were nothing more to Fianna Fáil than a vote harvesting tool!

Now is a good time for Fianna Fáil to offer an apology to the Irish Nation for the Civil war which they inflicted on our people against their democratic will!



In early March 1922 DeValera he formed the "Cumann na Poblachta" (Republican Association) party while remaining a member of Sinn Féin and commenced a speaking tour of the more republican province of Munster on 17 March 1922.

During the tour, de Valera made controversial speeches at Carrick on Suir, Lismore, Dungarvan and Waterford, saying at one point,"If the Treaty were accepted, the fight for freedom would still go on, and the Irish people, instead of fighting foreign soldiers, will have to fight the Irish soldiers of an Irish government set up by Irishmen."

At Thurles, several days later, he repeated this imagery and added that the IRA "would have to wade through the blood of the soldiers of the Irish Government, and perhaps through that of some members of the Irish Government to get their freedom."

In a letter to the Irish Independent on 23 March, de Valera accepted the accuracy of their report of his comment about "wading" through blood, but deplored that the newspaper had published it.
 
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Windowshopper

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I think Fianna Fáil would be better off apologizing for actions which were closer to the present. Also I think you a bit behind the times if you think Fianna Fáil only came closer to democracy in 1998.
 

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Should they really? Although Fianna Fáil had anti treaty people who fought in the civil war leading it at the beginning, the party itself didn't exist in the civil war as it was founded three years after the anti treaty side lost so therefore has nothing to do with it.
 

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Should they really? Although Fianna Fáil had anti treaty people who fought in the civil war leading it at the beginning, the party itself didn't exist in the civil war as it was founded three years after the anti treaty side lost so therefore has nothing to do with it.
Where do you think Fianna Fáil came from?
 

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Should they really? Although Fianna Fáil had anti treaty people who fought in the civil war leading it at the beginning, the party itself didn't exist in the civil war as it was founded three years after the anti treaty side lost so therefore has nothing to do with it.
christ your some tit
 

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Given that Fianna Fáil put down a motion last week asking FG/Labour to apologise to the Magdalene women who FF had be telling to Eff Off for the last 14 years....... I think it's only a matter of time before Fianna Fáil demand that Fine Gael apologise for starting the Civil War.
 

Dunlin3

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Forget the apologies, just disband for the multiple wrongs they have committed against the Irish people over the last century.
 

carlovian

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Only if Fine Gael apologise for Brian Hayes.
I think we should be tough not only on Brian Hayes but also on the causes of Brian Hayes.

This is the worst thread ever and I once saw one recommending Conor lenihan as a
future Taoiseach.
 

RahenyFG

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christ your some tit
I was simply pointing out FF didn't exist during the civil war so has nothing to apologise for.

Being your usual trolling self neiphin?
 

RahenyFG

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Given that Fianna Fáil put down a motion last week asking FG/Labour to apologise to the Magdalene women who FF had be telling to Eff Off for the last 14 years....... I think it's only a matter of time before Fianna Fáil demand that Fine Gael apologise for starting the Civil War.
The anti treaty side started it by opposing the democratic will of the people who voted for the treaty.
 

harshreality

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Should Fianna Fáil apologise for the Civil War?

When Fianna Fáil under Bertie Ahern commended the Good Friday Agreement to the Irish People and asked them to vote to concede on Articles 2 & 3 of the Constitution it marked a u turn in the Fianna Fáil position on a United Ireland.

The revolutionaries who shunned the Irish Free State and who entered the Dáil in 1927 grudgingly after inflicting a vicious Civil War on their people have yet to admit they were wrong to inflict a Civil War on a young independent State, wrecking lives and property in the cause of some thing they would eventually abandon.

Of Course many were delighted to see Fianna Fáil finally come closer to democracy and reason and to have asked them to have apologised for the Civil war may have been asking them to walk further than they were able or willing at the time.

A cynic might suggest that Articles 2 &3 were nothing more to Fianna Fáil than a vote harvesting tool!

Now is a good time for Fianna Fáil to offer an apology to the Irish Nation for the Civil war which they inflicted on our people against their democratic will!
I think we have enough new wounds without seeking to re-open old ones.
 

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They should and immediately, the timing couldn't better, what with the Oscars coming up and the Irish connection with DDL playing Lincoln.

Do it and do it now I say!!
 

neiphin

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I was simply pointing out FF didn't exist during the civil war so has nothing to apologise for.

Being your usual trolling self neiphin?
devil era and aitkens had nothing to do with it ?
get of the computer , mammy has your dinner ready
 

Big Brother

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Should Fianna Fáil apologise for the Civil War?

When Fianna Fáil under Bertie Ahern commended the Good Friday Agreement to the Irish People and asked them to vote to concede on Articles 2 & 3 of the Constitution it marked a u turn in the Fianna Fáil position on a United Ireland.

The revolutionaries who shunned the Irish Free State and who entered the Dáil in 1927 grudgingly after inflicting a vicious Civil War on their people have yet to admit they were wrong to inflict a Civil War on a young independent State, wrecking lives and property in the cause of some thing they would eventually abandon.

Of Course many were delighted to see Fianna Fáil finally come closer to democracy and reason and to have asked them to have apologised for the Civil war may have been asking them to walk further than they were able or willing at the time.

A cynic might suggest that Articles 2 &3 were nothing more to Fianna Fáil than a vote harvesting tool!

Now is a good time for Fianna Fáil to offer an apology to the Irish Nation for the Civil war which they inflicted on our people against their democratic will!

Not before Britain apologises for centuries of invasion genocide and racism inflicted against the democratic will of both the Irish and British people.

It's stupid west brit posts like this that are driving people back to FF.

I've no time for how FF messed this country up.

But I'd vote for them before I'd vote for anyone who thinks we should apologise for fighting for our freedom.

By the way the treaty that was opposed had been inflicted on Ireland at gunpoint by the British empire.

Partition also was an anti-democratic stitch up.

So No. FF shouldn't apologise for the civil war.

Just for the mess they created during the boom.

And God knows that's enough to be getting on with.
 

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The anti treaty side started it by opposing the democratic will of the people who voted for the treaty.
And that justified executing men without trial who were in State custody as a revenge for attacks they had no part in.
"Democratic will" at the threat of immediate and total war!
 

ne0ica

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Should Fianna Fáil apologise for the Civil War?

When Fianna Fáil under Bertie Ahern commended the Good Friday Agreement to the Irish People and asked them to vote to concede on Articles 2 & 3 of the Constitution it marked a u turn in the Fianna Fáil position on a United Ireland.

The revolutionaries who shunned the Irish Free State and who entered the Dáil in 1927 grudgingly after inflicting a vicious Civil War on their people have yet to admit they were wrong to inflict a Civil War on a young independent State, wrecking lives and property in the cause of some thing they would eventually abandon.

Of Course many were delighted to see Fianna Fáil finally come closer to democracy and reason and to have asked them to have apologised for the Civil war may have been asking them to walk further than they were able or willing at the time.

A cynic might suggest that Articles 2 &3 were nothing more to Fianna Fáil than a vote harvesting tool!

Now is a good time for Fianna Fáil to offer an apology to the Irish Nation for the Civil war which they inflicted on our people against their democratic will!
We don't even talk about the civil war. How many monuments etc are even dedicated in its memory. If you want an apology from FF we have to acknowledge that it took place. There is also the issue of executions etc committed by the Free State. Contrast this to idiots who got killed in the British Army, even recently in Afghanistan. We have had to listen alot lately to ************************ers moaning about lack to acknowledgement to traitors who died as connon fodder on Imperial Adventures to preserve and expand the British Empire during WW1.
 
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