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Should Ireland hold a referendum on TTIP?

TARZAN

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The TTIP agreement which Enda Kenny is so in favour of will have serious consequences for employment conditions and climate in this country and mainland Europe but seems to be going relatively unnoticed by the public. IMO something of this magnitude which will affect our lives and that of our children for years to come should not be decided by one man who is only interested in going along with what his betters tell him is what they want. Opinions?

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As I noted on another thread, it is a US invasion by treaty rather than war. It should be resisted by all possible means.
 

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While there is not any doubt that FG represent the interests of big business but where do Labour the voice of the working class stand on this? Have they made any comments or are they still rowing along with whatever Kenny says?
 

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I confess it's something I know little about. But when John Bruton is for some thing like this, then the default position of anyone should be against. Does it relate to cutting turf in the west of Ireland?
 

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Can you blame them for having contempt for us the party that saddled us with 44% of Private Bankers debts waltzed back in to cobble a government together as if nothing happened.


TTiP is like the referendum to join the then EU, Maastricht and Lisbon I & II.

Even if ye got a red the proles would be threatened with all sorts in to accepting TTiP.

Vote TTiP for job's!
 

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While there is not any doubt that FG represent the interests of big business but where do Labour the voice of the working class stand on this? Have they made any comments or are they still rowing along with whatever Kenny says?
See you made your first mistake there, voice of self interest more like.
 

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I confess it's something I know little about. But when John Bruton is for some thing like this, then the default position of anyone should be against. Does it relate to cutting turf in the west of Ireland?
It relates to everything the worst parts are secrecy courts where corporations can sue sovereign governments.
 

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I confess it's something I know little about. But when John Bruton is for some thing like this, then the default position of anyone should be against. Does it relate to cutting turf in the west of Ireland?

The documents show that US corporations will be granted unprecedented powers over any new public health or safety regulations to be introduced in future. If any European government does dare to bring in laws to raise social or environmental standards, TTIP will grant US investors the right to sue for loss of profits in their own corporate court system that is unavailable to domestic firms, governments or anyone else.


After the leaks showed what it stands for, could this be the end for TTIP? | Voices | The Independent
 

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The TTIP agreement which Enda Kenny is so in favour of will have serious consequences for employment conditions and climate in this country and mainland Europe but seems to be going relatively unnoticed by the public. IMO something of this magnitude which will affect our lives and that of our children for years to come should not be decided by one man who is only interested in going along with what his betters tell him is what they want. Opinions?

https://www.newstalk.com/reader/47.301/45859/-/
Isn't it the case that where sovereignity is pooled or sharing that a referendum is required to authorise it? By that score I think it should.

It's worth noting that referenda have only ever consented to that sharing or pooling in an EU context. Should accesion to TTIP require a referedum, then our continued membership of the UN and Council of Europe should alos be put to the people.
 

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That sounds daft, why would anyone agree to that.
This is Enda we are talking about here, he has no interest in the good of Ireland or even Europe at all. Watch out for some nice fat directorships coming his way should he ever give up opening bottle banks.
 

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The US and the EU are co-operating in a grossly non-democratic exercise, with FG playing its sordid little part.
The secrecy and control around the 'negotiations' is worthy of Orwell.

We should all be very concerned.


5. In addition to the recognition of sustainable
development as a principle that should underlie
the TTIP in all areas, we envisage an integrated
chapter specifically devoted to aspects of sustainable
development of importance in a trade context
- more specifically, on labour and environmental,
including climate change aspects, as well as their
inter-linkages.
EU - US TRANSATLANTIC TRADE AND INVESTMENT PARTNERSHIP - Initial EU position paper

TTIP is about a huge transfer of power from people to big business. Greenpeace
 
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That sounds daft, why would anyone agree to that.
It probably sounds daft because you are only looking at a tiny part of the trade agreement. One apect you are missing is that it works both ways. If an Irish company invests millions on the back of the agreement and the US government tries to change the rules, they can sue too. Seems fair enough.
 

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It probably sounds daft because you are only looking at a tiny part of the trade agreement. One apect you are missing is that it works both ways. If an Irish company invests millions on the back of the agreement and the US government tries to change the rules, they can sue too. Seems fair enough.
The rules are changed all the time as new data becomes available and say for public health concerns. Would such a move not reward companies that refuse to update as it affects their profit margin? Taxpayer subsidises share holder, hmmmm.
 

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The rules are changed all the time as new data becomes available and say for public health concerns. Would such a move not reward companies that refuse to update as it affects their profit margin? Taxpayer subsidises share holder, hmmmm.
You would have to have a look at the agreement to come to that conclusion. You wont, but then neither will anybody else on here. The tin foil will be selling like hotcakes.
 

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