Should local candidates be resident in their constituency?

UncleJim

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Yes have to agree with not misleading voters. If a candidate was upfront with me I'd have a lot more respect for them. Not EVERYONE here is political, unless of course voting in elections and researching political views counts as being political.
 


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In Lucan and Palmerstown it seems that most of the candidates live elsewhere.

Two Fianna Failers, one Independent Fianna Fail, one Labour and one Independent Green live outside the constituency. Excuses ranging from “I use to socialise there" and “I have lived there for 25 years” (didn’t mention that they were not the most recent 25 years) are abound. What about Local representation By Local Politicians?
What exactly are you talking about? are you just trolling? Its very common for candidates and sitting politicans to not live in the ward or constituency they are elected in, especially in the dublin suburbs where there are nearly always boundary changes after every election in recent years, but for the candidates you attack its mostly not even true.

Of the Labour candidate probably the only one not 'local', Caitriona Jones decided to move ward, if you have a problem with that so be it but she put herself forward. and she is the only woman running, plus she is a sitting cllr and is quite experienced. id think most of the problems that affect lucan regarding county council matters arn't much different to her previous locality in tallaght south which was a mixture of big estates, sprawling development and rural areas.

I don't know about the indo-Green (Dowling) or the indo FF(?) but two of the three FF candidates are from the Lucan Palmerstown ward and live there. The other Shahenn Ahmed lived there for many years and is originally from pakistan but married to an Irish woman.

Maybe Shane Moynihan is one of local FFer you're talking about? but I know he's lived in Lucan all his life,went to school there and is heavily involved in local parish and worked at the Penny Hill for donkeys years.
Edno Cooley the Ff candidate based in the Palmerstown area lives on the Kennelsfort Road in Palmerstown, has been there for quite some time and has a wife from the area and lives there with his family. His company Cooley Developmenst or something is even based in Palmerstown.

You also neglect to mention that William Lavelle one of the FG candidates is originally from Mayo. He's not a 'local'. But he has firmly established himself in the community and has every right to run there. As have many of the other candidates and this is par for the course with politics in dublin.

So what is your problem? people living outside the ward or people immigrating in. And if it is a problem why exactly?
Because the reality is that in the suburbs of dublin due to huge growth in recent decades there is no real defined locality outside of the older village centres and that outside of your own estate the issues are basically the same everywhere.

This whole thread reminds me of the BBC League of Gentlemen in Royston Vasey-"this is a local shop for local people..."
 

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Yes have to agree with not misleading voters. If a candidate was upfront with me I'd have a lot more respect for them. Not EVERYONE here is political, unless of course voting in elections and researching political views counts as being political.
I simply was refering to the fact that people on this website take an active interest in politics, especially in their own area. Therefore, they would be aware if a candidate did not live within the area etc. and can make an informed decision either way. Most voters would not have the same interest in politics to the point of knowing same, therefore, can be misled.
 

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local elections are supposed to address local issues...as far as im concerned local councillors should live in the ward and TD'S should live in the constituency. its not too much to ask for. After all politics is LOCAL.

Take Maurice Ahern for example ... the man lives in Malahide and is standing for the LEA's in Cabra Glasnevin and Dublin central for the bye election. Doesnt really seem like big deal but i , for one , would prefer if potential candidates lived where they want to represent.
 

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Of the Labour candidate probably the only one not 'local', Caitriona Jones decided to move ward, if you have a problem with that so be it but she put herself forward. and she is the only woman running, plus she is a sitting cllr and is quite experienced. id think most of the problems that affect lucan regarding county council matters arn't much different to her previous locality in tallaght south which was a mixture of big estates, sprawling development and rural areas.
If she really wanted to move, she could it earlier.
The biggest problem with non-local candidates is that they cannot see, what is actually is happening in their constituency.
They will have to rely on complaints from residents. Because she will mostly get complaints from Labour party supporters, means that she will serve only interests of Labour party in Lucan. If she would live in Lucan, she could have her independent opinion and use it to serve community, not party.
This is applies to all candidates, which live outside of their constituency. Even if they use to live long time ago, everything has changed during last four years in Lucan.

This why I more like Tom Dowling slogan “Serve for Lucan, not for party”.
 

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I only today realized that Laraghcon is not part of Lucan from electoral point of view.
It least he lives in 5 minutes walk from Lucan main street and he must be very rich if he can afford to do all shopping in D15.
Can Caitriona Jones do the same?
I mean walk and local shopping
 

UncleJim

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If she really wanted to move, she could it earlier.
The biggest problem with non-local candidates is that they cannot see, what is actually is happening in their constituency.
They will have to rely on complaints from residents. Because she will mostly get complaints from Labour party supporters, means that she will serve only interests of Labour party in Lucan. If she would live in Lucan, she could have her independent opinion and use it to serve community, not party.
This is applies to all candidates, which live outside of their constituency. Even if they use to live long time ago, everything has changed during last four years in Lucan.

This why I more like Tom Dowling slogan “Serve for Lucan, not for party”.
Tom is a northsider so he can only represent people from a northsider's perspective and will only have the northsiders interests to serve..... only joking but I you could see how ridiculous this argument could get!

Of course any candidate will represent their area with their political party policy at heart - otherwise they would run as independants! Political parties don't ask people to serve them, they ask that voters give them the chance to serve the people. I often give a transfer or two to independants who deserve it but it is much more worthwhile supporting a party as you know that there is less chance of getting a me-fein attitude and they willl work for the good of the whole county and ensure that none of their members' actions have a detrimental effect on a neighbouring area for example.

What are the huge changes that you have witnessed during the last 4 years that are specific to Lucan???

With all due respect, I think you really have made a silly argument just for the sake of supporting a particular candidate - you will need to be a little more imaginative to lend any credability to your viewpoint.
 

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Also I don't think that shopping and walking would get Jones elected - I think good representation at Council level is much higher on the voter's agenda!
 

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Of course any candidate will represent their area with their political party policy at heart - otherwise they would run as independants! Political parties don't ask people to serve them, they ask that voters give them the chance to serve the people. I often give a transfer or two to independants who deserve it but it is much more worthwhile supporting a party as you know that there is less chance of getting a me-fein attitude and they willl work for the good of the whole county and ensure that none of their members' actions have a detrimental effect on a neighbouring area for example.
It would work only if all parties would have people’s interests as highest priority, not party interests.
Too much political parties in local councils is bad as if it was only independents elected.
SDCC need more independents to balance political agendas


What are the huge changes that you have witnessed during the last 4 years that are specific to Lucan???
Thanks to Labour social housing policy – we have now ethnical ghetto in Adamstown
With all due respect, I think you really have made a silly argument just for the sake of supporting a particular candidate - you will need to be a little more imaginative to lend any credability to your viewpoint.
I thought that VOTE LOCAL is official Labour policy






BTW – Tom is not really my candidate. As right winger, which doesn’t like FG, I don’t have any choice
 

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It would be a disaster if SDCC had 26 independant cllrs with regard to drawing up a development plan as one example. Cllrs have to work together to do what is best for a very large county and then of course within a national context too. The only mandate that an independant has is from his/her own locality and the ind will only strive to improve that locality even at the expense of neighbouring areas - Lucan would really suffer if Clondalkin elected a number of inds because of no party or national policy they wouldn't care if the consequences of their actions had a negative impact on Lucan.

I think that all Labour supporters and non-supporters can only laugh at the remark about social housing. You must have it in for Labour!
Who were you targeting when you sais Lucan changed over the last 4 years? Has one of the Labour candidates moved from Lucan 4 years ago?

With regard to Labour’s official policy on voting Local I wouldn’t have a clue and I wouldn’t really care either.

It is a shame that this thread was just set up to get at Lucan reps - could have been a less boring if it was a wider debate.
 

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It would be a disaster if SDCC had 26 independant cllrs with regard to drawing up a development plan as one example.

Do you mean that independents are so bad?
In this case we need special law to prevent them be elected…


BTW, Did I say that I want only independents?

I said that I want to see it more balanced, which means that independents must have better representation in comparison what we have now. IMO 2 independents from each area will manage to balance 16 candidates from political parties.

Cllrs have to work together to do what is best for a very large county and then of course within a national context too.
In this case, what is reason to put posters with faces of candidates on lamps?
Doesn’t matter how smart they looks, they will implement only party policy, not their own.
ie, those posters can easily be replaced with party logo posters with small names on them


The only mandate that an independant has is from his/her own locality and the ind will only strive to improve that locality even at the expense of neighbouring areas - Lucan would really suffer if Clondalkin elected a number of inds because of no party or national policy they wouldn't care if the consequences of their actions had a negative impact on Lucan.
If Lucan would have two independents too, they could protect Lucan from ugly Clondalkiners.
Main advantage of independents is that they are less resistant to mistakes, what they did.
I mean, if Labour party will screw Lucan, they will replace candidate on next election and will push him through only because a lot of people will vote for Labour party as their favorite party, but not the best party for Lucan. (it applies to any party)
If independent candidate will make mistake, he will lose next elections. Country needs better mechanism to select best politicians, especially with absence of criticism.


BTW, I don’t have any objections if Clondalkin, Tallaght and Rathfarnham will elect independents as well. It is shame that only O’Connnell is single independent in SDCC.


With regard to Labour’s official policy on voting Local I wouldn’t have a clue and I wouldn’t really care either.
Independents don’t have any choice, rather then say “Vote local”, but Labour party was first main party on this election, which started to use this slogan to support own candidates
It means that you and other members of Labour party in Lucan don’t have right object to “VOTE LOCAL” slogan




It is a shame that this thread was just set up to get at Lucan reps - could have been a less boring if it was a wider debate.
As you can see, it already extended to Cabra and Phibsboro
 

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It means that you and other members of Labour party in Lucan don’t have right object to “VOTE LOCAL” slogan

I think that you may have me confused with someone else??????????????
 

UncleJim

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Take 2!!
That was supposed to be a quote followed by my response - Apologies I don't know how to do all of the quoting things on this site.

Quote by Bormotello
"It means that you and other members of Labour party in Lucan don’t have right object to “VOTE LOCAL” slogan"


I think that you may have me confused with someone else??????????????
 

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Take 2!!
That was supposed to be a quote followed by my response - Apologies I don't know how to do all of the quoting things on this site.

Quote by Bormotello
"It means that you and other members of Labour party in Lucan don’t have right object to “VOTE LOCAL” slogan"


I think that you may have me confused with someone else??????????????
Could be
In this case, I apologize



Your unsuccessful attempts to protect Caitriona Jones, made me little bit angry
Labour party is playing very hard “Vote local” card in D7 and D15




I don’t see any reason, why it cannot be used against them in Lucan
 

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Is this the same Tom Dowling who DOES NOT live in the Lucan electoral area?
This is just to give you the fact because what you are saying is a distortion of the truth.

I have lived in Lucan for the past 15 years 11 of which I lived in Finnstown. A few years back I separated from my wife and moved to rented accommodation in Laraghcon, which despite what people might say is part of Lucan only divided by the Liffey a 3 min walk into the village from my door - My address is Lucan but part of Fingal.

I am involved in every day life events in Lucan and I am active member of community life in Lucan.

To say I don't live in the electoral area is taking liberty with the truth.

But just for the record I moving from Laraghcon next weekend to take up residency in Adamstown which is part of Lucan LEA and looking forward to that.

Lucan has been my home for the past 15 years and I'm very much a Lucan man and love it here.

If elected I believe I can make a valuable contribution to making Lucan an even better place to live.
 

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the boundary commission have a habit of making small changes with big consequesences in this regard. Larghcon is Lucan...no doubt, but as stated is in fingal....its hair splitting really.......pat rabitte was elected in tallaght rathcoole in 1985 and lived in clondalkin, he was elected to dail eireann for dsw in 89 and lived in clondalkin which was in dsw, by 2002 he was elected in dsw and lived in clondalkin which was by now in dmw....should he have moved each time and back again?..kids schools neighbours etc. I think not.....

Ben Briscoe was a prime example......was a td and cllr for many years representing crumlin - dsc and always lived in celbridge!...

Also for new people.....maybe they will move to their constituency post election? after all, I you were going for a interview for a job in say london or galway, would you move before you were offered the job?...I think not...
 

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General Election Candidates 2016 Living Outside of their Constituency

Out of the candidates running in the 2016 General Election - what is the list of candidates who live outside of the constituency that they are running in?
 

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Out of the candidates running in the 2016 General Election - what is the list of candidates who live outside of the constituency that they are running in?
do you have anybody in mind?
 

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Once their granny lived there it's fine if they make decisions on little towns from the lofty well paid heights of Mount Street. Think of all the lovely expenses.
 


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