Should Northern Ireland get a new flag?

Irish_Roman

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The current flag doesn't represent everyone in the North and is even offensive to just under half the population

1. Can the flag legally be changed if enough vote or petition for it?

2. What type of flag would everyone be able to accept?

3. Any idea's for a new flag?
 


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Most observers will agree that would be a troublesome exercise for many Unionists, as the oft mentioned "identity crisis" manifefsts itself in a pronouncement of a national identity through such crude terms as "We've got Wembley, you've got Croke Park" "We've got BBC, you've got RTE" "We've got the Queen, you've got Mary McAleese". That these things are not explicitly "theirs/ours" but rather English cultural expressions, seems lost.

For many, the falsehood that the six counties of Ulster is a meaningful nation finds desperate expression in such statements, which carry all the integrity of a schoolboy attempting to bolster his standing in the playground by shouting "My Dad's bigger than your Dad"

Then again, you have the flipside of the crazy cartel within sections of the Norn Irn media whose week can never pass without the requisite mention of The Titanic, Van Morrison, George Best, David Humphries or the NW200, (to a backing track of Snow Patrol these days!) The foibles of localised media gone mad, in that local bias is desperately transposed into a makey uppy "national identity"! (Though, speaking of the Titanic, I doubt even they would be able to beat the Dundee rag which carried the front page headline "Titanic Sinks. Dundee Man Feared Dead") :shock:

With regards flags, we can see a similar patern. Surely it is no coincidence that the best that could be arrived upon was a St Georges Cross with some spurios appendages? Even that has now been disgraced to be now unusable. Overdosing on the Union Jack is another sign, as it has no direct or unique ties to the north which would warrant such use, other than a worrying use as simple badge saying "not Irish". Where to next? An expression of Orangism, a legitimately unique Northern Unionist culture? Sure we tried that already on the tricolour and it wasn't good enough!

Strange how that flag more explicitly displays an aspect of Unionist culture than those used and abused by themselves over the years.
 

Irish_Roman

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You would be pretty hard pressed to find an acceptable flag though

I don't know... maybe a red Irish harp on a Green and Blue back? would look ugly enough :lol:
 

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In essence the north is now a sanitized zone with regard to flags. It's either both or none, with the "none" option seemingly establishing itself as the way of things for the forseeable future.

The Union Jack can now only be officially raised in the North without flouting convention on very few days in the year which has (thankfully) removed the ability of the more narrow minded Unionist councils to use it in the crude fashion of the past. It's current uses are a necessary concession to facilitate Unionist culture on days of importance for them, as it should be.

Now the flags sole purpose is of a seldom unveiled link to the past for Unionists on certain days, which I'm sure no reasonable Republican would begrudge.

It's a long way from the days when Paisley was able to march up the Falls with a Phalanx of RUC men and remove a Tricolour. The flag whose sole legitimacy he was defending is now has essentially the same status he afforded that Tricolour.

It's a strangely sanitized environment for the institutions to work in, but not unwelcome in the general scheme things, as it allows the more natural relationships between the four corners of this nation to, hopefully, grow with the bulwark of Unionist siege mentality now greatly diminished.

With the tide of history coming in, the border should prove as artificial as we all know it to be.
 

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Irish_Roman said:
The current flag doesn't represent everyone in the North and is even offensive to just under half the population

1. Can the flag legally be changed if enough vote or petition for it?

2. What type of flag would everyone be able to accept?

3. Any idea's for a new flag?
The current flag!, the north of Ireland dosen't have a flag, the Ulster banner that was the flag used between 1953-72 by the Old Unionist Stormont government ceased to be offical in 1972 with the disolving of that government by the Brits.
 
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padraig said:
The current flag!, the north of Ireland dosen't have a flag, the Ulster banner that was the flag used between 1953-72 by the Old Unionist Stormont government ceased to be offical in 1972 with the disolving of that government by the Brits.
Beat me to it Padraig.

I'd love to see a new official flag. Finding a balance would be very difficult though when many will want to see 'emblems of linkage' and many others will deny the State the right of existence. I personally like the style of the Ulster provincial flag except for the colour. Sorry, but the yellow is yuk!. What about 4 horizontal bars (in no particular order) Green, Red, Blue Orange?
 

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That might just be a bit of a slap in the face!
 

Jason

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what about st patricks flag?

im quite happy with the current flag but then again im unionist...
 

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Jason said:
what about st patricks flag?
My only reservation is that it symbolises all of Ireland. It would be a serious contender for a new national flag in the event of reunification.
 

Irish_Roman

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padraig said:
Irish_Roman said:
The current flag doesn't represent everyone in the North and is even offensive to just under half the population

1. Can the flag legally be changed if enough vote or petition for it?

2. What type of flag would everyone be able to accept?

3. Any idea's for a new flag?
The current flag!, the north of Ireland dosen't have a flag, the Ulster banner that was the flag used between 1953-72 by the Old Unionist Stormont government ceased to be offical in 1972 with the disolving of that government by the Brits.
Then you should remove the Northern Ireland flag from the selectable avatars or add the old Ulster one in :wink:
 

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I like that one....
 

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Jason said:
what about st patricks flag?
You mean the one that was invented in the 1780s by a bureaucrat and has pretty much zero legitimacy in th eyes of pretty much everybody? Yeah, great choice.

I agree about the traditional Ulster provincial flag though. The yellow is a bit ick alright. Never liked it, purely on aesthetic grounds.

Here, how about a flag symbolising the two main traditions in the north and the new spirit of peace and co-operation between them? Oh, wait...
 

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White Horse said:
Pretty nice. The one with the blue background is also classy.
For some strange reason I actually prefer the blue (still used today as the Presidential Standard)



It's also much older than the harp-on-green, apparently.
 

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Sidewinder said:
Jason said:
what about st patricks flag?
You mean the one that was invented in the 1780s by a bureaucrat and has pretty much zero legitimacy in th eyes of pretty much everybody? Yeah, great choice.

I agree about the traditional Ulster provincial flag though. The yellow is a bit ick alright. Never liked it, purely on aesthetic grounds.

Here, how about a flag symbolising the two main traditions in the north and the new spirit of peace and co-operation between them? Oh, wait...
LOL........yeah. The thing is the colour of Ireland...North, South, East and West....is Green. It would be nice to have a green element rather than this paranoia that green is simply the bastion of republicans and Sinn Fein.
 


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