Should PULs vote for Sinn Fein to modernise NI

Niall996

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Listened to a good debate on Nolan about abortion in NI. One PUL called in and responded to the DUP politician's assertion that his personal vote is up, the DUP's vote is up, so therefore ergo, the people of NI don't want abortion in NI.

The PUL caller made an interesting point. The DUP are reliant on PUL's voting against the very society they would prefer simply to keep SF out of power. (Obviously very short term and futile thinking there).

Is it time for PUL's to start voting in accordance with the policies they would prefer rather than old tribal anti Irish voting they've been historically indoctrinated into. Even for one election just to get through some modernisation. They can always revert back to the DUP afterwards.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b3vfkx#play
 


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Listened to a good debate on Nolan about abortion in NI. One PUL called in and responded to the DUP politician's assertion that his personal vote is up, the DUP's vote is up, so therefore ergo, the people of NI don't want abortion in NI.

The PUL caller made an interesting point. The DUP are reliant on PUL's voting against the very society they would prefer simply to keep SF out of power. (Obviously very short term and futile thinking there).

Is it time for PUL's to start voting in accordance with the policies they would prefer rather than old tribal anti Irish voting they've been historically indoctrinated into. Even for one election just to get through some modernisation. They can always revert back to the DUP afterwards.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b3vfkx#play
Turkey's to vote for Christmas also.
 

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Listened to a good debate on Nolan about abortion in NI. One PUL called in and responded to the DUP politician's assertion that his personal vote is up, the DUP's vote is up, so therefore ergo, the people of NI don't want abortion in NI.

The PUL caller made an interesting point. The DUP are reliant on PUL's voting against the very society they would prefer simply to keep SF out of power. (Obviously very short term and futile thinking there).

Is it time for PUL's to start voting in accordance with the policies they would prefer rather than old tribal anti Irish voting they've been historically indoctrinated into. Even for one election just to get through some modernisation. They can always revert back to the DUP afterwards.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b3vfkx#play



My problem in all of this, whether it be abortion/SSM/Irish Language Act/ Bill of rights etc etc highlights one glaring fact.........Why do the Tory Press, Tory Cabinet members, British Labor Party etc etc ignore the fact that the DUP do not speak for the majority of people in the sick counties


I find that quite astounding sir.
 

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I dont think they will vote Nationalist but there have always been a small percentage of Protestants who vote Alliance in Assembly elections and sometimes even Westminister elections. Alliance support abortion rights.
 

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My problem in all of this, whether it be abortion/SSM/Irish Language Act/ Bill of rights etc etc highlights one glaring fact.........Why do the Tory Press, Tory Cabinet members, British Labor Party etc etc ignore the fact that the DUP do not speak for the majority of people in the sick counties


I find that quite astounding sir.
Indeed. They only represent a portion. However, I assume they are by far the majority of NI mp's. So that's the price SF pay for abstentionism. Not that it seems to be a problem.
 

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I dont think they will vote Nationalist but there have always been a small percentage of Protestants who vote Alliance in Assembly elections and sometimes even Westminister elections. Alliance support abortion rights.
Are Alliance liberal on issues of Abortion/SSM etc. Don't really know much about them. However, as the DUP guy said, even if there was a majority vote to amend the law in the Assembly, the DUB would trigger that rule where a law has to be agreed by a majority of both communities. So they have an effective veto. Not sure how that would work out in practice. Having said all that, there's nothing to say that the majority of people in NI would support a change anyway.
 

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Turkey's to vote for Christmas also.
Well you, a farmer apparently, voted for Brexit you genius :roll:

Seriously!! ... did that not cross your mind when you posted the above ?

After baby Craig I think you must be next ,... dopiest crackpots ever
 

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Aside from the national question, there's a good opportunity for conservative Catholics and Protestants to agree on social issues. They have virtually the same beliefs on all social matters. Jim Wells, for instance, attended pro-life rallies in Dublin to campaign against repealing the 8th amendment.

If they do not do this, they will inevitably disappear.
 

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Listened to a good debate on Nolan about abortion in NI. One PUL called in and responded to the DUP politician's assertion that his personal vote is up, the DUP's vote is up, so therefore ergo, the people of NI don't want abortion in NI.

The PUL caller made an interesting point. The DUP are reliant on PUL's voting against the very society they would prefer simply to keep SF out of power. (Obviously very short term and futile thinking there).

Is it time for PUL's to start voting in accordance with the policies they would prefer rather than old tribal anti Irish voting they've been historically indoctrinated into. Even for one election just to get through some modernisation. They can always revert back to the DUP afterwards.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b3vfkx#play
they don't need to - for a variety of reasons. Though threatening to do so, may reap rewards.
 

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Listened to a good debate on Nolan about abortion in NI. One PUL called in and responded to the DUP politician's assertion that his personal vote is up, the DUP's vote is up, so therefore ergo, the people of NI don't want abortion in NI.

The PUL caller made an interesting point. The DUP are reliant on PUL's voting against the very society they would prefer simply to keep SF out of power. (Obviously very short term and futile thinking there).

Is it time for PUL's to start voting in accordance with the policies they would prefer rather than old tribal anti Irish voting they've been historically indoctrinated into. Even for one election just to get through some modernisation. They can always revert back to the DUP afterwards.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b3vfkx#play


Yes most definitely, a vote for SF will make Northern Ireland a lot more like Britain for the PULs.
 

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I dont think they will vote Nationalist but there have always been a small percentage of Protestants who vote Alliance in Assembly elections and sometimes even Westminister elections. Alliance support abortion rights.
Alliance is mainly a protestant vote.

There strongest area is Belfast East.
 

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I dont think they will vote Nationalist but there have always been a small percentage of Protestants who vote Alliance in Assembly elections and sometimes even Westminister elections. Alliance support abortion rights.
Lol, yeah, this is what we call in the North, Alliance's total electorate. The reason the DUP has viciously gone after / is going after the 'Yellow Party' is because Alliance is its direct competition for votes. Alliance Party Northern Ireland just represents a non-sectarian and moderate unionism which is understandably hard for many to comprehend actually exists. But it does.
 
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Alliance is mainly a protestant vote.

There strongest area is Belfast East.
A lot of their vote though is basically a protest vote by Prods against the tribalist trolling of the rest of Political Unionism. English people and Southern Irish people were often shocked to discover that I supported the Alliance at home.
 

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A lot of their vote though is basically a protest vote by Prods against the tribalist trolling of the rest of Political Unionism. English people and Southern Irish people were often shocked to discover that I supported the Alliance at home.
Surprised they've even heard of them let alone shocked. It has been trying to provide a reasonable alternative unionist voice from it's inception only to be called Provies now in 2018. It's great craic.
 

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Surprised they've even heard of them let alone shocked. It has been trying to provide a reasonable alternative unionist voice from it's inception only to be called Provies now in 2018. It's great craic.
People who are really interested in politics have heard of them.

The thing is at this stage in terms of demographics forgetting universal standards of rationality and justice for a moment, from a purely tribal perspective what exactly is Arlene playing at? As a woman you would think she would understand the concept that being nice to people usually stands a much better chance of giving you what you desire but apparently not.
 

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How come Unionists / Loyalists / Protestants could never get their Sinn Fein to get any traction .

I mean when you end up with the Dupers......Its a Fook up .
 

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People who are really interested in politics have heard of them.
You must have unique Stater agus English buddies.


The thing is at this stage in terms of demographics forgetting universal standards of rationality and justice for a moment, from a purely tribal perspective what exactly is Arlene playing at? As a woman you would think she would understand the concept that being nice to people usually stands a much better chance of giving you what you desire but apparently not.
Exactly how unionists could have prolonged Northern Ireland's sell by date. But they choose (present tense) not too. As has been repeated umpteen times on here, there are literally hundreds of thousands of Irish people, nationalists in inverted commas, Catholics who not only are content to remain as part of the UK, but openly want to. I know a lot of them as they are in my withered and worn black book.

There was only one way to persuade these chaps of a UI and it sure by hell wasn't going to be Django or Saint Martin - nope, it was going to be unionism that would be the main encouragement. And by god they are doing it in style - No Loifa, Brexit, the social issues, the tea-partyism, the xenophobia, sectarianism, the parochialism, uber-conservatism, the 'foreign country nonsense', the list goes on and on. The other two, well at least one, unionist party is beginning to get it - hear Lord Ashdown's recent interview. The DUP is literally raiding the IRA's arms dumps and repeatedly shooting NI in the foot. It is reloading in front of our eyes and repeating this.

Have ye noticed SF has toned down, compared to the past anyway, the rhetoric. The middle-class broad shouting Tiocfaidh ar la in the Ardfheis in 2018 doesn't quite cut the mustard. What's lost in the whole Brexit fiasco is the fact they wished the UK to 'remain' in the EU. Chum Galloway even ridiculed them for it. Wonder if Bangers still wants him to stand for Belfast West? And last but not hilariously least, it's a new Ireland SF is after now, not a united one. Isn't that what Connolly screamed from the chair?

Principles, you are 'aving a laugh, last time NI parties saw those, it was when it was handing in their lines at school.
Since the 90s it has been a game and it looks as though political unionism's batteries are finally running out.
 


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