Should right thinking FF voters give No. 1 to FG to keep Labour out next Election?

SilverLining

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An election will work if all Treaty Parties are disbanded, that's Fine Gael as well as Fianna Fail. Both have no constructive role to play in the future of Ireland. The only way we can mature is to Make Treaty Parties History. We need to start a new politics leaving the right of centre parties behind us to their pro-capitalist pro-big-business anti-worker failed policies.

The Oireachtas has proved itself to be irrelevant and redundant in showing any sort of leadership from all parties and none. Our politicians have proved time and time again that they prefer to put their own greedy ego-driven self-interests before that of the nation. They behave and act like local councillors instead of members of a national parliament.

We cannot go on with this flawed corrupt system, which during any future election campaigns will have these same individuals telling us a pack of lies so they can be re-elected and continue the farce as before. They seem to take us all for fools by distracting us from the real business in hand, to run a country.
 


jam_mac_jam

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Your policies are the same as Labour's anyway. What have you done over the last two years, a little levy on the public service, oh please, have you not heard of the Croke Park agreement, you folded to what the unions wanted very quickly.
 

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my family have aways been FF to the core. I still hear stories of the civil war etc. Father was active in the party. I would have leaned towards FF myself, but certainly I wouldn't be blind to their faults. Now, however I cannot in conscience vote for them. They lied, lied and lied again and led us towards this path of ruination. That said, I think the worst thing we could possibly do now is let the left in the door. So yes, FG will get my vote because the alternative is far far worse.
 

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So lets say FG are on 60 seats and Labour on 50 and FF n 35. What would FG do if FF said that they will not oppose a FG govt for 3 years therby giving FG full control of the levers of power. Tempting offer.
 

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It's right of centre bollox that has got us into this mess in the first place, jesus the f**kin arrogance to think that your ilk think they have the moral high ground to protect us from Labour JESUS!!! who and what delivered us to this sad state of affairs? a government made up of your lot (remember the PD's) PLEASE SAVE US FROM MORE CONSERVATIVE RIGHT OF CENTRE CALAMITY!!!!!
 

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It's right of centre bollox that has got us into this mess in the first place, jesus the f**kin arrogance to think that your ilk think they have the moral high ground to protect us from Labour JESUS!!! who and what delivered us to this sad state of affairs? a government made up of your lot (remember the PD's) PLEASE SAVE US FROM MORE CONSERVATIVE RIGHT OF CENTRE CALAMITY!!!!!
It is socialist spending by FF that has us in this mess. A Labour led government will only deliver more of the same and maybe compound it even more because they have no right wing. That is why I feel that if people are no longer voting FF (like me) that a Fine Gale overall majority would be far preferable to a left led tax and spend government that will break us even further.
 

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I despise FG's slavish support for a Federal Europe
Haha, are you serious? If FG actually supported a Federal Europe I would support them ... but they don't and I'm ambivalent to them.

Of course, you don't understand what Federalism actually IS do you? Or why at a fundamental structural level, a party like Fine Gael (and indeed the vast majority of major parties in Europe) would never support it. I suppose you think, Federalism means centralisation (when actually, it means the opposite), and that any integration of policy areas equates to Federalism, when it merely deepens the prevailing Intergovernmentalist system (which is the OPPOSITE of Federalism, and what FG actually supports).

Luckily I will not be in the juridiction for a January election and won't have to worry about trying to choose between the pathetic party line up, or listening to this kind of nonsense.
 

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Transfer right down the ticket even to the Monster Raving Loony Party in order to save Ireland from the Red Peril.
 

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In general elections over the years I have voted for Labour, Fianna Fail, and Fine Gael – my default position used to be FF and when voting for a different party I would have to convince myself that it was good for the country to do so. I voted No on the first Nice Treaty referendum and Yes on both of the Lisbon Treaty referenda.

For the next election I will be voting for Fine Gael candidates 1 and 2 with my next preferences going to FF.

Why? – because I believe that if I look at the ‘character’ of each party’s leaders I come to the following conclusions:

Enda Kenny – untarnished ethical record, re-built FG from the 2002 disaster and FG was the largest party in the 2009 local lections, successfully fought off a campaign to unseat him in a non-Haughey dirty tricks manner.

Eamon Gilmore – questions about his early career and involvement with the Officals (as murky as Bertie’s early days as an ‘accountant), serious ethical questions about his wife’s land deal.

Brian Cowen or other – no matter who leads FF, he/she is very tainted from the perspective of ‘character’ and ethics.

Looking at the question of who I will vote for from an overall party perspective I also believe that if FG get an overall majority we could finally see the end of ‘civil war’ politics in Ireland and finally get a political re-alignment of our parties along left/right and liberal/conservative lines just like most other ‘developed’ countries. The country needs this re-alignment to occur in order to help ever again having a repeat of the economic disasters of the 1980’s and the present one.

My hopes, briefly, sketched out above, for the political outcome of the next election could be argued to signal the demise of FF. So be it. In the early party of the last century the demise of the Irish Parliamentary Party occurred even though the IPP had served the voters of Ireland well at times and Parnell was an outstanding leader and patriot.

Hopefully my post may lead to a reasoned response from posters. Some of what I read on the website can bein the nature of point-scoring rather than reasoned argument. Given the my default position is to vote for FF I can always be persuaded by good counter arguments rather than ad hominen personal attacks.

From an Ireland Inc perspective it would be refreshing to have a constructive debate on the strengths and weaknesses of our political parties, and how the voter can take what we have available to us and then use the vote to do what just might turn out to be in the country's best interest.
 

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Havin a larf.....

Eh..........'right minded FF voters'........isn't that a contradiction? How could anyone be in their right mind and vote for these incompetent, corrupt, crooked nation destroyers???
 

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Certainly an interesting argument, but it won't work because so many FFers would rather die than vote FG. Possibly literally.
and lets hope that most of them do!
 

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As I see it, the only solution is for people like OP to vote FG down the line from #1 on, to maximise both seats and first preference votes for Fine Gael. They must be given a clear mandate to lead the next government, and seats alone may not be enough.
 

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Eh..........'right minded FF voters'........isn't that a contradiction? How could anyone be in their right mind and vote for these incompetent, corrupt, crooked nation destroyers???
At some point a lot of people are going to have to accept that a consistent 40%+ of the Irish public voted for Fianna Fáil and therefore for all this nonsense.
 

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Fianna Fáil have brought this country to it's knees, not Fine Gael or Labour. Fool.
Had FG/Lab been in power we'd have been on our knees too, given that FG/Lab were no more aware of a banking crisis and property bubble than FF were.

Truth be told, the electorate brought this country to its knees.
 

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Had FG/Lab been in power we'd have been on our knees too, given that FG/Lab were no more aware of a banking crisis and property bubble than FF were.

Truth be told, the electorate brought this country to its knees.
Don't you know the FF brass have only booked seats in the lifeboats for themselves.

They'll leave you foot soldiers to drown as they sail away into the sunset.

Wise up.
 

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Had FG/Lab been in power we'd have been on our knees too, given that FG/Lab were no more aware of a banking crisis and property bubble than FF were.

Truth be told, the electorate brought this country to its knees.
Rubbish.

Everyone was aware of the property bubble. Everyone.

I had German civvies telling me about "das irische Inmobilienblasen" as early as 2002. Their only qualification was that they read the papers (the German papers, not the Irish ones).

The banking crisis was simply a logical consequence of the Inmobilienblasen.

Primary school stuff.
 

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FF and FG need to be gone from politics for the nation to have any realistic future. Their tweedle-dum tweedle-dee petty squabbling have done nothing constuctive for the country. They have both indulged in gombeen clientism on a national scale with nothing but tribal ego-driven self-interest being served.
 


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