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Should SF join EFA


Trefor1.1

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Should SF join EFA?

Just seen this.

Is Adam Price correct to argue that SF should join EFA & thus leave UEL?
 
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It's not an unreasonable suggestion. The EFA is a more natural fit for Sinn Fein politically than the UEL.

I suspect though that they will stay in the UEL primarily because it gives them a little bit of lefty street cred at no real cost. Membership of the UEL doesn't actually mean much, but it helps keep some of the left leaning activists happy and those people are a bit of SF who've been increasingly grumpy in recent times. Leaving it would be a bit of a slap in the face for them.

Also, I don't think that the EFA has full group status in the European parliament, which would leave De Bruin with less access to facilities unless the EFA is involved in some kind of technical arrangement with another group.
 

Vlad

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They sound like vaguely progressive nationalists. But they don't seem to have any commitment to socialist principles. So, I don't think so. What's to be gained?
 
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Duth Ealla

It's not an unreasonable suggestion. The EFA is a more natural fit for Sinn Fein politically than the UEL.

I suspect though that they will stay in the UEL primarily because it gives them a little bit of lefty street cred at no real cost. Membership of the UEL doesn't actually mean much, but it helps keep some of the left leaning activists happy and those people are a bit of SF who've been increasingly grumpy in recent times. Leaving it would be a bit of a slap in the face for them.

Also, I don't think that the EFA has full group status in the European parliament, which would leave De Bruin with less access to facilities unless the EFA is involved in some kind of technical arrangement with another group.
Plently of leftist parties in their membership with most parties being involved in a struggle for national identity. Would seem like a nice mix of Left wing parties plus nationalist parties including left wing Basque and left wing Celtic parties. Hardly a bad mix to be among.

I'd personally prefer this grouping to others but thats me.
 
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Duth Ealla

p.s. Who is Adam Price?
MEP for Plaid Cymru.

considering the parties listed Its a real left wing alliance. Fantastic to have SNP, SF and Plaid Cymru in the one group. I am pleasantly surprised about this option and hope its going to happen. fingers crossed. If this were to happen the Joe Higgins would probably enter GUE i guess.

check out the map

http://www.e-f-a.org/kaartje.php
 
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dotski_w_

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Just seen this.

Is Adam Price correct to argue that SF should join EFA & thus leave UEL?
Thanks for that - it was worth following the link just to read the wiki entry on the UDB, who sound an interesting group in the context of French/Celtic/European politics... certainly also a link with EE/EFA looks like a progressive move (to me), but aren't they largely in favour of the Lisbon treaty? I'm sure there are exceptions, but Cohn-Bendit would appear to be the biggest personality in the alliance, and he's probably even more enthusiastic about it than me ... perhaps this would be a sticking point with SF?
 

Trefor1.1

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Thanks for that - it was worth following the link just to read the wiki entry on the UDB, who sound an interesting group in the context of French/Celtic/European politics... certainly also a link with EE/EFA looks like a progressive move (to me), but aren't they largely in favour of the Lisbon treaty? I'm sure there are exceptions, but Cohn-Bendit would appear to be the biggest personality in the alliance, and he's probably even more enthusiastic about it than me ... perhaps this would be a sticking point with SF?
Yes - that's a good point - they generally are pro Lisbon.
 

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Yes - that's a good point - they generally are pro Lisbon.
TBH ... it would move SF up the ballot preferences for me in euro elections if they did join. I'm LP/PES through and through (to an arguably sad extent....) but EE/EFA would possibly be even closer to my personal views.
 

Vlad

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Thanks for that - it was worth following the link just to read the wiki entry on the UDB, who sound an interesting group in the context of French/Celtic/European politics... certainly also a link with EE/EFA looks like a progressive move (to me), but aren't they largely in favour of the Lisbon treaty? I'm sure there are exceptions, but Cohn-Bendit would appear to be the biggest personality in the alliance, and he's probably even more enthusiastic about it than me ... perhaps this would be a sticking point with SF?
Indeed! Also, is their a whip? There isn't in GUE/NGL — a distinct advantage. And anyway what's the argument for SF to move away from GUE anyway? I'm not aware of one.
 

Blissett

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if i recall correctly from 04, the rumours were that sf were politely asked not to join. Just rumours though.
 

MacCoise

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Just seen this.

Is Adam Price correct to argue that SF should join EFA & thus leave UEL?
Interesting alright but have you seen the greens? Cohn Bendit is an extremely arrogant and objectionable man and the group's policies on Lisbon and the right of nations to run their own states are almost the opposite of what SF stands for.

I actually wonder what the attraction of the Greens is to EFA?
 
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I actually wonder what the attraction of the Greens is to EFA?
1) Free "environmentally concerned" points.
2) Parties like the SNP and Plaid are no more radical than the Greens anyway.
3) Most importantly the EFA don't have the numbers to make up a European Parliament group on their own.
 

electoralshock

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Now that the socialist party sit with NGA/UEL perhaps to distinguish themselves Sinn Fein should move to the EFA. Furthermore, EFA would allow Sinn Fein as a credible alternative in opposition which are different from the United Left Alliance.
 

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Now that the socialist party sit with NGA/UEL perhaps to distinguish themselves Sinn Fein should move to the EFA. Furthermore, EFA would allow Sinn Fein as a credible alternative in opposition which are different from the United Left Alliance.
No-one will care.
 
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