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Should sports players be banned for using recreational drugs?


NewGoldDream

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I see Matt Stevens named on Lions squad. He was selected in 2005, but his career hit the buffers when he got a 2 year ban for cocaine use. Some credit must be due for making it back to that level again.

I can fully understand the need for a ban on performance enhancing drugs. But using drugs like cocaine in a recreational setting, should it really merit a penalty like a 2 year ban? Yes, it's a crime, but if he had been drinking and driving it would be nothing like that.

Is there a need to ban players for recreational drug use? Is it possible to separate recreational from performance enhancing? Is it all about being on message and is it just a piece of PR nonsense?
 


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Cocaine is a performance enhancing drug.
 

Seanie Lemass

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Well, if he is going to take nose candy, he would hardly have a moral objection to any other stimulant! Fair play to rugger chaps. If he'd been soccer player, he'd just have had to put a few quid into the poor box, and maybe miss the next game.
 

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No, that would be discrimination against sports stars.

Journalists, media personalities, rock stars, and lawyers can consume recreational drugs on a regular basis, and they don't have their careers restricted in any way.
 

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Cocaine is a performance enhancing drug.
A cigarette can enhance performance in the short term, as it increases heart rate. Alcohol can also improve performance, particularly in sports like darts and snooker where it can calm a player. Using either in a recreational setting would not result in a ban.
 

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A cigarette can enhance performance in the short term, as it increases heart rate. Alcohol can also improve performance, particularly in sports like darts and snooker where it can calm a player. Using either in a recreational setting would not result in a ban.
Jaysus that explains why I smoke afterwards.... thanks NGD.
 

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Cocaine, aka "Peruvian Marching Powder" is a performance enhancing drug that aids endurance and acts as a painkiller - it'd be very handy to use it during fitness training

cYp
 

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Nah, they should just segregate sports into competitions between those that aren't on drugs and those who are. It'd make the Olympics more interesting anyway, you'd be awarding the Gold medal to the guy who came in 5th, because the ones ahead of him would have collapsed of heart failure or grown an extra head.
 

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Cocaine, aka "Peruvian Marching Powder" is a performance enhancing drug that aids endurance and acts as a painkiller - it'd be very handy to use it during fitness training

cYp
It may help with the fitness training element but I would say a coked up sportsperson would be playing erratically to say the least. of little use in a team game or one that requires the player to pace themselves imo. performance would not be enhanced if that was so.
not to mention the sh1te that would be spouting out of said players gob. probably encourage some robust tackling i reckon (from his own team even). he may not feel the pain at the time but that could be a bad thing too - playing with damage will incur more serious damage

it also turns the blood to slush that can cause a heart attack or if there is a weak blood vessel a brain haemorrhage. not very enhancing to performance.but then again some 'athletes' seem be willing to shorten their lives just to win stuff.

on the OP I do think there should be a distinction between drugs taken to enhance performance and recreational ones.
 

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Cocaine, aka "Peruvian Marching Powder" is a performance enhancing drug that aids endurance and acts as a painkiller - it'd be very handy to use it during fitness training

cYp


If you snorted coke and then went running at pace on a threadmill you would stand good chance of a heart attack! It has even happened to people who have drunk several cans of energy drinks before games.
 

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A cigarette can enhance performance in the short term, as it increases heart rate. Alcohol can also improve performance, particularly in sports like darts and snooker where it can calm a player. Using either in a recreational setting would not result in a ban.
Uh. You can drink alcohol during darts and snooker. There's no issue doing so at all. If you want to drink booze before a football game then go ahead. Your OP is fundamentally flawed: Cocaine is recognised to be a performance enhancing drug. You'd have a better argument if you picked hash for rugby players.
 

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Uh. You can drink alcohol during darts and snooker. There's no issue doing so at all. If you want to drink booze before a football game then go ahead. Your OP is fundamentally flawed: Cocaine is recognised to be a performance enhancing drug. You'd have a better argument if you picked hash for rugby players.
It could only ever be considered a performance-enhancer in small controlled doses. It effects co-ordination badly, and you tire very quickly indeed after a line. The day after a couple of lines you feel as if you had run a marathon.
 

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Uh. You can drink alcohol during darts and snooker. There's no issue doing so at all.
You're wrong there.

The BDO banned alcohol on stage in darts back in the late 1980s, pretty sure it's banned by the WPBSA too. Sure, one can do it at amateur level, but then again I don't expect to be tested for cocaine in the local football league either.

In both snooker and darts, there is a very direct link between performance and alcohol, to the point where famously snooker players like Bill Weberniuk drank continuously during snooker matches to calm their nerves.
 
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How do you mean? Were there other players caught doing cocaine & then not banned?
I'd guess so.

The sad thing for professional footballers is that because they are under the shadow of random testing, (add to that a manager who is monitoring your drinking), the logical recreational drug is coke. It can be detected in urine or blood for only a day or so after use.
 

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It could only ever be considered a performance-enhancer in small controlled doses. It effects co-ordination badly, and you tire very quickly indeed after a line. The day after a couple of lines you feel as if you had run a marathon.
Sure. There are risks but it works. Particularly for something like NFL, MMA where deadening pain, increasing aggression etc are useful. It's not used that much because A: It's extremely easy to identify as you have to use it right before play B: There's better stuff out there. But if you make it ok in sports then you'd see a spike in it's use.
 

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You're wrong there.

The BDO banned alcohol on stage in darts back in the late 1980s, pretty sure it's banned by the WPBSA too. Sure, one can do it at amateur level, but then again I don't expect to be tested for cocaine in the local football league either.

In both snooker and darts, there is a very direct link between performance and alcohol, to the point where famously snooker players like Bill Weberniuk drank continuously during snooker matches to calm their nerves.
They banned snooker and darts players drinking on TV because it was adding to image of the 'sports' as the preserve of pot-bellied wasters.
 

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Despite what some posters may feel, Cocaine is on the WADA list as a performancer enhancer. Some sports treat it as only as performancing enhancing for in competition tests, so don't necessarily ban for a positive in an out of competition test.
 

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