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Should the Defence Forces step in?


Concerned Irishman

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With the state of the country so dire that even the ambulance drivers are undertaking a work to rule action, and the gardai becoming increasingly dissatisfied with their payment, a greek-style breakdown of law, order and society is a distinct possiblity and it can be laid almost solely at the foot of gutless politicians from every major political party in the state.

Given that most (sane) people don't want a Greek style situation developing here, and the aforementioned gutless politicians are unwilling and unable to clear up their own mess and are mostly just riding it out on huge paycheques while waiting for their massive pensions - is it time for the Defence Forces to consider stepping in and calling a halt on this farce for the good of the country?

The first loyalty of the Defence Forces is to us, the people - not the politicians, and not the Government. Ordinary people are on their knees, state services are being crippled, and we have lost our autonomy as a nation - surely if there was ever a time for the defenders of Ireland to step in and remove the corrupt cabal "leading" us, it is now?
 

Concerned Irishman

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Coup coup ca choo.
Call it what you want - something has to give because the ordinary people can only take so much pain. Society is being ripped apart
 

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Call it what you want - something has to give because the ordinary people can only take so much pain. Society is being ripped apart
Friday night hyperbole....If we're relying on the Defence Forces to 'save us' well then we're in worse trouble than I thought...
 

Hitch 22

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With only 8,500 regulars and 13,000 diabolically trained and under paid reservists?

Give me a break.

We would become international pariahs overnight and would collapse under immediate sanctions.

There would be massive protests and sustained riots which would require a brutal crackdown with live rounds if the regime had any hope of remaining in power.

We would be unable to defend ourselves from any foreign attack with no air force or navy worth mentioning to either defeat or run through a blockade.
 

drummed

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There was an interesting report this morning on the Pat Kenny radio show from 10.00am about the situation in Syria. Listen to it. Then cop the hell on!:mad:
 

james5001

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With only 8,500 regulars and 13,000 diabolically trained and under paid reservists?

Give me a break.

We would become international pariahs overnight and would collapse under immediate sanctions.

There would be massive protests and sustained riots which would require a brutal crackdown with live rounds if the regime had any hope of remaining in power.

We would be unable to defend ourselves from any foreign attack with no air force or navy worth mentioning to either defeat or run through a blockade.
If the military came out and said that it'd allow the exploitation of the nations resources by MNC's for nothing they'd probably have the support of the most powerful state in the world.
 

P Ryan

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lol we don't have a real 'army' as such, just a lot of Dad's army types and overweight Sgt. Bilkos....
 

Concerned Irishman

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There was an interesting report this morning on the Pat Kenny radio show from 10.00am about the situation in Syria. Listen to it. Then cop the hell on!:mad:
What does the situation in Syria have to do with this? The point is that we have lost our status as an independent nation and the people are being attacked daily - if the DF is there to defend us and is unwilling to step in temporarily and resolve what the political system has failed utterly to do (notwithstanding that this mess is the fault of the political system), then what are they there for?

As for the previous comment about being unable to defend against foreign attack - what!? We can't do that already, and who would want to attack us? We're a dirt-poor little rock with nothing to offer an invading power - who would want to invade?
 

Concerned Irishman

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lol we don't have a real 'army' as such, just a lot of Dad's army types and overweight Sgt. Bilkos....
They still have a monopoly over the use of force here, and the training to use that force - if they wanted to step in, they could
 

Merovingian

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What does the situation in Syria have to do with this? The point is that we have lost our status as an independent nation and the people are being attacked daily - if the DF is there to defend us and is unwilling to step in temporarily and resolve what the political system has failed utterly to do (notwithstanding that this mess is the fault of the political system), then what are they there for?

As for the previous comment about being unable to defend against foreign attack - what!? We can't do that already, and who would want to attack us? We're a dirt-poor little rock with nothing to offer an invading power - who would want to invade?
'the people are being attacked daily'....LOL...the people are doing just fine thank you.
 

Hitch 22

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What does the situation in Syria have to do with this? The point is that we have lost our status as an independent nation and the people are being attacked daily - if the DF is there to defend us and is unwilling to step in temporarily and resolve what the political system has failed utterly to do (notwithstanding that this mess is the fault of the political system), then what are they there for?

As for the previous comment about being unable to defend against foreign attack - what!? We can't do that already, and who would want to attack us? We're a dirt-poor little rock with nothing to offer an invading power - who would want to invade?
If there were a military coup in Ireland our near neighbors would step in to topple it.

It wouldn't take much - a few destroyers turning up in Dublin Bay and few fighter jets breaking the sound barrier over Government buildings would do the trick. I can't see a few companies of our troops fighting to the last man around Kildare Street or Merrion Square.

Our troops would have to shoot down trade unions, students, pensioners, mothers, kids and other protesters in the streets if they tried to seize power.

You clearly haven't thought this one through at all.
 

drummed

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What does the situation in Syria have to do with this? The point is that we have lost our status as an independent nation and the people are being attacked daily - if the DF is there to defend us and is unwilling to step in temporarily and resolve what the political system has failed utterly to do (notwithstanding that this mess is the fault of the political system), then what are they there for?

As for the previous comment about being unable to defend against foreign attack - what!? We can't do that already, and who would want to attack us? We're a dirt-poor little rock with nothing to offer an invading power - who would want to invade?
It has to do with your failure to grasp the difference between a wealthy peaceful country where 99% of citizens are safe from random death at the hands of various "armies" and a country on the brink of total breakdown. Listen and get back to me.
 

Concerned Irishman

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'the people are being attacked daily'....LOL...the people are doing just fine thank you.
Ask people being targetted with savage cuts or home carers who have had their allowences slashed if they are doing "just fine" - they would tell a different story
 

statsman

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With the state of the country so dire that even the ambulance drivers are undertaking a work to rule action, and the gardai becoming increasingly dissatisfied with their payment, a greek-style breakdown of law, order and society is a distinct possiblity and it can be laid almost solely at the foot of gutless politicians from every major political party in the state.

Given that most (sane) people don't want a Greek style situation developing here, and the aforementioned gutless politicians are unwilling and unable to clear up their own mess and are mostly just riding it out on huge paycheques while waiting for their massive pensions - is it time for the Defence Forces to consider stepping in and calling a halt on this farce for the good of the country?

The first loyalty of the Defence Forces is to us, the people - not the politicians, and not the Government. Ordinary people are on their knees, state services are being crippled, and we have lost our autonomy as a nation - surely if there was ever a time for the defenders of Ireland to step in and remove the corrupt cabal "leading" us, it is now?
Let's imagine for one moment that your idea isn't entirely insane.

























No, sorry, it is.
 

Porkypie

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With the state of the country so dire that even the ambulance drivers are undertaking a work to rule action, and the gardai becoming increasingly dissatisfied with their payment, a greek-style breakdown of law, order and society is a distinct possiblity and it can be laid almost solely at the foot of gutless politicians from every major political party in the state.

Given that most (sane) people don't want a Greek style situation developing here, and the aforementioned gutless politicians are unwilling and unable to clear up their own mess and are mostly just riding it out on huge paycheques while waiting for their massive pensions - is it time for the Defence Forces to consider stepping in and calling a halt on this farce for the good of the country?

The first loyalty of the Defence Forces is to us, the people - not the politicians, and not the Government. Ordinary people are on their knees, state services are being crippled, and we have lost our autonomy as a nation - surely if there was ever a time for the defenders of Ireland to step in and remove the corrupt cabal "leading" us, it is now?
The Defence Forces can't do anything about the backlog of Court cases or the waiting lists in the A&E departments in our diminishing hospitals. Can they sort out the backlog of the 6,000 unpaid fees to students. etc.etc.
 

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So after this military coup and our suspension from the EU and the resultant collapse of our exports and the total lack of basic provisions being imported (medicine, fuel, etc) what's the next part of the plan?
 

ruserious

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With only 8,500 regulars and 13,000 diabolically trained and under paid reservists?

I take what you say about ''diabolically trained'' reservists with a mighty grain of salt considering your numbers are out by almost 9,000. Also, underpaid? Not for what they are allowed contribute.
You have simply no idea what you are talking about.

As for the OP. What a nutter. Besides, it would be breaking their oath for not being loyal to the constitution.
A military only has legitimacy when they are controlled by a democratic government.
 

ruserious

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lol we don't have a real 'army' as such, just a lot of Dad's army types and overweight Sgt. Bilkos....
Can you not think for yourself or must you insist on using very old stereotypes as contemporary fact?
 
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