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Should the Garda Commissioner resign?


NewGoldDream

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From my conversations with Gardai in recent months it seemed that they had nothing but contempt for their Commissioner. I felt that this might not necessarily point to him doing a bad job, in fact it might suggest he was making the necessary cuts and they were simply feeling the pain and reacting.

However, following recent revelations by the Minister for Justice which suggest that the Commissioner is now reduced to telling tales on those in the Opposition benches, should his job be under pressure?
 

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both of them should imo. This kind of crap just isn't acceptable anymore.
 

eoghanacht

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In a functioning democracy both he and the Minister would resign alas what we have is a sophisticated nepostistic kleptocracy.
 

Porkypie

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Did the GRA not call for a vote of no confidence in the Garda Commissioner last February.

The problem is will he bring Shatter down with him now that Shatter has "patted him on the head"
 

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But in fairness to the Minister, if what he has said is true, it may be that all he is guilty of is blurting out something in the heat of debate that he should really know ought not to be raised.

But the Commissioner is the one who thought that a brief interaction between a citizen and the Gardai was the stuff to raise at a meeting with the Minister, and is the one who seems to have done most to impugn Wallace's "privacy" (if that exists). Why say it unless he knew it would be used to damage that person?
 

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In a functioning democracy both he and the Minister would resign alas what we have is a sophisticated nepostistic kleptocracy.
It's not that sophisticated eoghany. It's blatantly in your face. And much worse, it's tolerated if not positively encouraged by the 'sophisticated' electorate.
 

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Look.... this is Ireland... a country in which all sorts can happen in all walks of life due to cronyism, incompetence, stupidity, idiocy, deceit, criminality blah blah blah... and as long as you're part of the 'establishment' or you've tight links with it... these things simply don't matter...

You can do what you like and f*** up as much as you like without any fear of suffering any consequences...

Priests raped kids FFS... and bishops covered it up... and many of them are still wandering around wondering what all the fuss is about...

Some of them are even pontificating again, like they did in the good old days...

And of course there's always the w*nker bankers too... parasites who helped destroy this country but who remain in situ on fat pay and pensions and loads of public money pumped in to keep them going...

As for 'resigning'... I'm not sure that word even exists in Ireland... and certainly not within the 'establishment'....

And we all tolerate it... all the time... so I won't be holding my breath that anything will change any time soon... if at all...

The 'establishment' know exactly how apathetic and generally useless we are...
 
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statsman

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Everybody should resign. Then everyone would be happy, right?
 

eoghanacht

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It's not that sophisticated eoghany. It's blatantly in your face. And much worse, it's tolerated if not positively encouraged by the 'sophisticated' electorate.
Sophisticated in the sense that it's refined, party/family members first, political supporters after that and anyone who doesn't like it can emigrate.
 

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But in fairness to the Minister, if what he has said is true, it may be that all he is guilty of is blurting out something in the heat of debate that he should really know ought not to be raised.

But the Commissioner is the one who thought that a brief interaction between a citizen and the Gardai was the stuff to raise at a meeting with the Minister, and is the one who seems to have done most to impugn Wallace's "privacy" (if that exists). Why say it unless he knew it would be used to damage that person?
How did Callinan find out about this 'incident'?

According to Miriam Lord this is what happened:
So here’s what happened: Mick Wallace is stopped at a traffic junction. A Garda car pulls alongside. One of the occupants notices Mick on
his mobile and gestures to him to end the call. The TD complies, rolls down his window and raises a hand in contrition. That was it. A brief exchange, no penalty points issued, no documents filled out.
This happens many times a day for every garda. How did this make it up to the commissioner if a memo hadn't been sent out. And before anyone suggests idle tittle tattle, they should consider that the gardai involved, the time, the date and the location al seem to have been recorded for, eh, posterity or something.
 

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Everybody should resign. Then everyone would be happy, right?
No, just those who use the offices of the State as personal detectives agency to rake muck on political rivals.
 
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But in fairness to the Minister, if what he has said is true, it may be that all he is guilty of is blurting out something in the heat of debate that he should really know ought not to be raised.

But the Commissioner is the one who thought that a brief interaction between a citizen and the Gardai was the stuff to raise at a meeting with the Minister, and is the one who seems to have done most to impugn Wallace's "privacy" (if that exists). Why say it unless he knew it would be used to damage that person?


And why did Shatter repeat it on live TV. The Garda rules were "broken" when Shatter extended the Commissioner's contract. Their relationship is/was very cosy, which has not gone down well with the majority of the 11,000 Garda force. The relationship between the Government, the Commissioner, the rank and file Garda and the electorate is at a very low and dangerous level. Has the President not got the power to clean up our corrupt system?
 

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No, just those who use the offices of the State as personal detective agency's to rake muck on political rivals.
Wallace is and always has been a total idiot... something which became crystal clear to me having watched him on a TV3 Sunday business programme at the height of the property madness. It was obvious back then he hadn't a clue what he was doing and that he was just a small time developer who couldn't resist scaling up as the w*nker bankers chucked money at him...

Of course this doesn't make what Shatter did right... but Wallace has zero credibility and I can understand how galling it is to have this idiot attempt to take the moral high ground on anything...

And of course if being an idiot wasn't bad enough... since being elected we've also discovered Wallace is a VAT defrauder and now a total hypocrite too...

The people of Wexford must be well proud of themselves...

In any ordinary country Wallace would have been f***ed out of the national parliament a long time back...

But not in Ireland.
 

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And why did Shatter repeat it on live TV. The Garda rules were "broken" when Shatter extended the Commissioner's contract. Their relationship is/was very cosy, which has not gone down well with the majority of the 11,000 Garda force. The relationship between the Government, the Commissioner, the rank and file Garda and the electorate is at a very low and dangerous level. Has the President not got the power to clean up our corrupt system?
Shatter should resign. The Commissioner should be sacked.

And for good measure, Wallace should resign for being a gobsh1te of the highest order.
 

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No, just those who use the offices of the State as personal detective agency's to rake muck on political rivals.
And the heads of those organisations which allow their offices to be abused as such.
 
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Yes, it's clear that information supplied to Shatter was politically motivated. He should resign for supplying it and Shatter should resign for using it in a TV debate.
 

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The information Callinan gave had no operational, security, organisational or policy value whatsoever which means it was solely given for political reasons and to be used as such.
 

seabhcan

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Yes, it's clear that information supplied to Shatter was politically motivated. He should resign for supplying it and Shatter should resign for using it in a TV debate.
Shatter is a gob************************e. He should have just leaked the information to the media in the tried and trusted method politicians damage each other. Once it was printed in the papers, then he could refer to it on TV.
 
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