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Should the IRA take out the dissidents?


LeDroit

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The North's dirty war involved agents and double agents, collusion and infiltrations. The States either side of the border were involved in acts of commission and omission that cost the lives of the innocent and not so innocent. We had shoot-to-kill, The Commission, Scappaticci et al, etc etc.

So, the authorities have never been above looking the other way when terrorists were being killed unlawfully if the 'greater good' could be served. The former IRA operatives on the ground across the North will know or can discover the identities of the dissidents. I doubt the new boys are being particularly James Bond about it all. However, even if they gave that info to the PSNI, which is sadly doubtful, there wouldn't be enough info to prosecute.

So, should the State look other way and allow the IRA to deal with the dissidents? The dissidents have threatened McG and Adams. So would the IRA have the appetite for it?
 


Cruimh

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Definitely not.

The answer is for members of the nationalist community and people in the ROI to pass on anything they know or suspect to the Police.

SF should openly encourage this - unlike after Omagh when Adams refused to call on Republicans to pass on information.
 

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Well first of all, of course not. There's a devolved police force which has the backing of the public according to the available polls. They enforce the law, not a bunch of vigilantes. Second of all, the IRA can't do much because they've decommissioned all their arms according to the monitors.
 

eoghanacht

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I thought LeDroit was a sensible poster, you never know do you?
 

LeDroit

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Definitely not.

The answer is for members of the nationalist community and people in the ROI to pass on anything they know or suspect to the Police.

SF should openly encourage this - unlike after Omagh when Adams refused to call on Republicans to pass on information.
That all sounds nice in principle but we are dealing with shadows here. There'll be no evidence, no witnesses, so there can be no accountability before the law. It's the same problem that the authorities faced in the 70s which led to internment. The IRA, acting as Direct Action Against Drugs did more to clear out local dealers than the Gardai could.

Hire a thief to catch a thief?
 

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supermonkey

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You seem to inherently accept the claim of the Provos to be Ireland's real army. If PIRA why not CIRA. The real answer is the cooperation of northern Catholics with the police and failing that the reintroduction of shoot to kill but this time in the open and with the approval of the southern government.
 

British Citizen

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They could kill 100 of them and it wouldn't make a difference. There'd be another few dozen muppets along within a year or two doing the same thing.

The problem lies with Nationalists (and Irish people in general) to re-write history and paint people who use violence as martyrs/heroes/soldiers.

With murals of Bobby Sands and Mairead Farrell staring down at young catholic children on a daily basis it's no wonder they want to grow up and do exactly what their 'heroes' did before them.
 

Breadan O'Connor

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The North's dirty war involved agents and double agents, collusion and infiltrations. The States either side of the border were involved in acts of commission and omission that cost the lives of the innocent and not so innocent. We had shoot-to-kill, The Commission, Scappaticci et al, etc etc.

So, the authorities have never been above looking the other way when terrorists were being killed unlawfully if the 'greater good' could be served. The former IRA operatives on the ground across the North will know or can discover the identities of the dissidents. I doubt the new boys are being particularly James Bond about it all. However, even if they gave that info to the PSNI, which is sadly doubtful, there wouldn't be enough info to prosecute.

So, should the State look other way and allow the IRA to deal with the dissidents? The dissidents have threatened McG and Adams. So would the IRA have the appetite for it?

Your suggestion is ridiculous, immoral and unacceptable. It would lead to mayhem!


The only way is for the police forces to do their job, with the co-operation of both comunities.


There is success against these people, recently the guards captured five IIRC.
 

ne0ica

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No because middle class south Dublin would wet themselves if any real justice would dealt out. What would happen if the IRA decided to kill the man who sold them cocaine, or shot a few corrupt and greedy lawyers as well or any of the othe professionals. Maybe they might shoot a few bankers or even have a chat with Ivor Callely about his expense claims. Or any of the thugs who make a mockery of our revolving door justice system.
 

kenneth

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If the provo's are serious about peace than that is the last thing they'd do. Can't see such a suggestion working in any case. It would just beget more bloodshed and would cause a lot of hardline republicans who currently support the provo's to switch their allegiance to the rira/cira when they see their provo leaders killing nationalists at the behest of Stormont.
 

Tomas Mor

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This may appear tempting, but is a dangerous road to go down and where does it stop. Look at whats happening in Dublin with tit for tat killings. Best thing is to isolate them and report them to Gardai and PSNI, and I have a feeling thats what will be done.
 

just4ever

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They could kill 100 of them and it wouldn't make a difference. There'd be another few dozen muppets along within a year or two doing the same thing.

The problem lies with Nationalists (and Irish people in general) to re-write history and paint people who use violence as martyrs/heroes/soldiers.

With murals of Bobby Sands and Mairead Farrell staring down at young catholic children on a daily basis it's no wonder they want to grow up and do exactly what their 'heroes' did before them.
Bobby Sands was a product of a different era when Catholics were aggressively oppressed and were genuinely second class citizens. I'm not advocating the use of violence but he was operating in different times.
 

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British Citizen

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Because they were still disgusting terrorists. But I can understand where their hatred originated. Unlike today.
Can you understand the violence in 1969?

Or can you also understand it when the Perversional IRA were still killing in 1997?

How long can the 'poor, oppressed, second class citizens' excuse be used to justify cold-blooded, sectarian murder??

One year? Five years? Thirty years?
 

pjoz

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The North's dirty war involved agents and double agents, collusion and infiltrations. The States either side of the border were involved in acts of commission and omission that cost the lives of the innocent and not so innocent. We had shoot-to-kill, The Commission, Scappaticci et al, etc etc.

So, the authorities have never been above looking the other way when terrorists were being killed unlawfully if the 'greater good' could be served. The former IRA operatives on the ground across the North will know or can discover the identities of the dissidents. I doubt the new boys are being particularly James Bond about it all. However, even if they gave that info to the PSNI, which is sadly doubtful, there wouldn't be enough info to prosecute.

So, should the State look other way and allow the IRA to deal with the dissidents? The dissidents have threatened McG and Adams. So would the IRA have the appetite for it?
That all sounds nice in principle but we are dealing with shadows here. There'll be no evidence, no witnesses, so there can be no accountability before the law. It's the same problem that the authorities faced in the 70s which led to internment. The IRA, acting as Direct Action Against Drugs did more to clear out local dealers than the Gardai could.

Hire a thief to catch a thief?
The end justifies the means. I'd Abu Ghraib the lot of them! ;)
At what stage does a thread get closed and sanctions taken against the opening poster? Is advocating murder acceptable on this forum?
 

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