Should the Naval Service take part in Arms Fairs? - or whatever floats your boat..

Catalpast

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It seems some Snowflakes are all at sea over one of our ships LÉ Samuel Becket being sent to show the Flag in London Docks in order to parade not its hardware (of which it has little) but its software features:

Defence Forces chiefs have defended the decision to send the LÉ Samuel Beckett to the world's biggest arms fair.

The naval vessel’s presence at the controversial Defence and Security Equipment International (DSEI) fair in London has sparked anger among anti-war activists.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2017/0912/904188-le-samuel-beckett/

I mean its not exactly equipped with Cruise Missiles or anything so its hard to see what there is that much to get upset about really

But then Snowflakes tend to do just that!

Edward Horgan, of the Irish Anti-War Movement and a United Nations elections' inspector, said an Irish Naval Service vessel's presence in the world's biggest arms fair was a misuse.


"It is completely inappropriate for the Irish Defence Forces to be involved in any way in this arms fair, or in the international arms market that is notorious for corruption," he said.


No me neither

Perhaps Mr Ed should just take up a Hobby (Model Boats?)

- or get a girlfriend or sumitt ....
 


ruserious

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I'm not sure if this qualifies for a non-issue but it certainly comes close.
 

sparky42

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I've no issue with this at all, in fact I would hope that the DF/DOD has people there anyway given some of the procurement projects coming (MRV/Peacock replacement/CASA...)

I do wish these "PANA" twats would shut up!
 

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I'm surprised that this thread isn't doing better.

I mean....
"With more than 8,000 Irish citizens homeless, we cannot afford to waste precious resources supporting the corrupt international arms industries."
- Edward Horgan
 

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I've no issue with this at all, in fact I would hope that the DF/DOD has people there anyway given some of the procurement projects coming (MRV/Peacock replacement/CASA...)

I do wish these "PANA" twats would shut up!
According to Roger Cole (c. 1992. 1997, 2002 and 2008), we should all have been conscripted into a vast international EU/NATO army by now.
 

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Naval Warfare is changing at a rapid rate of knots...

Even the Royal Navy is going full steam ahead with the latest technologies to keep up with the Joneses ......

British warships are to employ a voice-controlled system along the lines of Apple’s Siri assistant, the first sea lord, Adm Sir Philip Jones, has said at the opening of one of the biggest arms fairs in the world.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/12/british-navy-warships-to-use-voice-controlled-system-like-siri
It is important that our defense forces attempt with their very limited budget to keep abreast with modern developments and interact with other Dfs.
In the case of the naval service which has responsibility to police a vast area this is extremely important. I did not hear of PANA complaining when the navy had to patrol in ton class minesweepers that were tiny little uncomfortable things totally unsuited to the Atlantic ( I spent a very sea sick day and night in one) . Or before my time in corvettes that were well passed their life and should have been scrapped. BTW the govt. should also order the navy out of the Med.
The arms business is indeed a potentially lucrative one and I would see no harm in Ireland developing an industry like our friends peace loving Sweden or Switzerland to create jobs at home.
 

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I'm surprised that this thread isn't doing better.

I mean....
"With more than 8,000 Irish citizens homeless, we cannot afford to waste precious resources supporting the corrupt international arms industries."
- Edward Horgan
He seems to be suggesting we somehow weaponise the 8000 homeless people al la iron man 3, this saving money on foreign manufactured guns and solving the homelessness crisis? That's unconscionable. This chap needs to be held to account.
 

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It seems some Snowflakes are all at sea over one of our ships LÉ Samuel Becket being sent to show the Flag in London Docks in order to parade not its hardware (of which it has little) but its software features:

Defence Forces chiefs have defended the decision to send the LÉ Samuel Beckett to the world's biggest arms fair.

The naval vessel’s presence at the controversial Defence and Security Equipment International (DSEI) fair in London has sparked anger among anti-war activists.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2017/0912/904188-le-samuel-beckett/

I mean its not exactly equipped with Cruise Missiles or anything so its hard to see what there is that much to get upset about really

But then Snowflakes tend to do just that!

Edward Horgan, of the Irish Anti-War Movement and a United Nations elections' inspector, said an Irish Naval Service vessel's presence in the world's biggest arms fair was a misuse.


"It is completely inappropriate for the Irish Defence Forces to be involved in any way in this arms fair, or in the international arms market that is notorious for corruption," he said.


No me neither

Perhaps Mr Ed should just take up a Hobby (Model Boats?)

- or get a girlfriend or sumitt ....
The real whinge should be the state of the armed forces now. It's the lack of personnel equipped to do basics such as support search and rescue, plus the fact that we have to borrow to keep the lights on. YET, light weights in the whole arms/defence industry as we are, we still feel the urge to display our dull, crappy plumage.
 

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It is important that our defense forces attempt with their very limited budget to keep abreast with modern developments and interact with other Dfs.
In the case of the naval service which has responsibility to police a vast area this is extremely important. I did not hear of PANA complaining when the navy had to patrol in ton class minesweepers that were tiny little uncomfortable things totally unsuited to the Atlantic ( I spent a very sea sick day and night in one) . Or before my time in corvettes that were well passed their life and should have been scrapped. BTW the govt. should also order the navy out of the Med.
The arms business is indeed a potentially lucrative one and I would see no harm in Ireland developing an industry like our friends peace loving Sweden or Switzerland to create jobs at home.
Wouldn't showing them how utterly sh1t our defences are pose a risk to national security?
 

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In other news, Irish anti-crime activists lambast Gardaí for attending international police equipment fair.
 

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seems harmless enough to me......

the type 31 is close in design to the Beckett, I understand
 

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Same designer but much different to the Beckett, might be their idea for the MRV hull though...
I think its the software on the LEB that is of interest

- I am not quite sure if I read it right but perhaps this is similar to what will be on the Type 31s?
 

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It seems some Snowflakes are all at sea over one of our ships LÉ Samuel Becket being sent to show the Flag in London Docks in order to parade not its hardware (of which it has little) but its software features:

Defence Forces chiefs have defended the decision to send the LÉ Samuel Beckett to the world's biggest arms fair.

The naval vessel’s presence at the controversial Defence and Security Equipment International (DSEI) fair in London has sparked anger among anti-war activists.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2017/0912/904188-le-samuel-beckett/

I mean its not exactly equipped with Cruise Missiles or anything so its hard to see what there is that much to get upset about really

But then Snowflakes tend to do just that!

Edward Horgan, of the Irish Anti-War Movement and a United Nations elections' inspector, said an Irish Naval Service vessel's presence in the world's biggest arms fair was a misuse.


"It is completely inappropriate for the Irish Defence Forces to be involved in any way in this arms fair, or in the international arms market that is notorious for corruption," he said.


No me neither

Perhaps Mr Ed should just take up a Hobby (Model Boats?)

- or get a girlfriend or sumitt ....
What are you trying to tell us that there are no arms for sale at an international arms sale ? I would think that the objection is to the event at large there is no point to single out the Irish navey scince many other nations and organisations are also taking part. The arms aren't secluded to navel either but will also include land and air weapons. It is a little bit more than a stretch to say that missiles are for sale at it.
 

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I think its the software on the LEB that is of interest

- I am not quite sure if I read it right but perhaps this is similar to what will be on the Type 31s?
There seems to be a couple of different stories out, you're right about the software, we seem to be the first to use it for maritime operations it seems:
https://systematic.com/defence/news/2017/systematics-maritime-operations-c4i-solution-to-be-featured-at-dsei-2017-on-irish-naval-warship-le-samuel-beckett/

However Babcock has highlighted the P60 project repeatedly in the context of their 31 bid both in the product they delieved to us and the lessons learned to keep prices low. So perhaps they did ask for one of them, it's rumoured from DSEI that BAE have basically accepted that they are out of the game, so it's Babcock, BMT and Stellar Systems offers.
 

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Emm. They're part of our armed forces. Where does one buy arms?
that depends, what do you need them for and who do you want to know about it
 


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